Rci serious crimes effects all members

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

It is amazing how many people are saying that i bought from blue bay. Please read what i write. Did you read about complaint after complaint about rci? People are saying what i am thinking. We love to travel. What would i do without rci? Rci could still exist if we got the millions of dollars back that they robbed from us. Try and understand this. Over 9 months i have 67 acknowledgements from rci and there has been no no no response up to ballotti,ceo. Anybody here not get responses from rci? I have used rci 10-12 times a year,and the general rci people are nice. It is like aig. None of the people who love rci have commented about the down time and inability to use rci on the internet. This is the same or worse,not better than it was five years ago. Wake up and smell the coffee about rci. How do we get money back? It is not from the ridiculous class action settlement.

NO ONE SAYS THAT THEY "LOVE" RCI HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally unfounded as most of your posts in your accusatory tone are.

Get educated to us and you'll see the countless times we've reported RCI being down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clearly, you are not listening to what's being said to you. Not a word.
What kind of "acknowledgements" have you had from RCI ? This says nothing, nothing !
What are they acknowledging ?

If you wrote in an organized and clear fashion, some of us could understand what it is you're trying to say.

It is YOU, who should "wake up and smell the coffee" as you insist on not owning your own part of this and differentiating between BB and RCI.

Sheesh !

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

Slim,
Please, answer simply:

Per your initial posting:

1. Who was in your unit illegaly? How did they come to be in the room ?

2. How (and by whom ?) was your credit destroyed ?

If you cannot answer those: Where/from whom did you buy your timeshare unit ?

(I'll probably regret posting this)

[slim Member Find all posts View Profile Close slim]

Rci crimes

I CALLED OCEAN VILLAS RECORD KEEPING. THEY TOLD ME THAT I SIGNED A LEASE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO STAY IN UNIT. NEVER DID. THEY ALSO TOLD ME THERE WERE 2 OTHER GROUPS IN UNIT OVER YEARS THAT I ALLOWED IN UNITS NOT THROUGH RCI. CALLED RCI AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY SHOWED WHO WAS IN UNIT. THEY NEVER RESPONDED. ALL THEY SAID WAS GO TO RESORT. I GO TO RESORT AND ASK WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SHOW FOR PEOPLE IN UNIT. KEN PFEIFLE OF SPM RESORTS NEVER SHOWED ME ANYTHING. HE ALSO SAID HE HAD THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF HIS EYES. I ASKED HIM TO FAX EVIDENCE. NEVER HAPPENED. BELOW, LETTER TO KEN PFEIFLE. CREDIT STILL HURT AND NOTHING FROM RCI OR RESORT. From: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
To: kpfeifle@spmresorts.com
Subject: RE: ILLEGAL USE OF PROPERTY
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:31:27 +0000

DEAR KEN,I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY THAT MY CREDIT WAS HURT BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF ACTION.I AM NOT GOING TO PAY YOU UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FRAUD AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME.IF MY CREDIT SMIRCH IS NOT REMOVED IN 10 DAYS AND YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THE EVIDENCE OF THE FRAUD,YOU WILL BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. MELINDA,YOU HAVE ALSO NOT RESPONDED TO THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.I WANT RESPONSE IN 10 DAYS FROM YOU ALSO,THANK YOU JOE WALSH

[Spence Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Spence]

So your problem is with your resort, don't you understand that?
I hate RCI and I agree that they rob the timeshare owner but that's small potatoes per member compared to the Blue Bay debacle and whatever you have going on with Ocean Villas. Nobody likes incoherent posts and nobody likes posts in all caps, it shows a lack of knowledge of the written word.

Why do you think the CEO of RCI would answer you?

I CALLED OCEAN VILLAS RECORD KEEPING. THEY TOLD ME THAT I SIGNED A LEASE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO STAY IN UNIT. NEVER DID. THEY ALSO TOLD ME THERE WERE 2 OTHER GROUPS IN UNIT OVER YEARS THAT I ALLOWED IN UNITS NOT THROUGH RCI. CALLED RCI AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY SHOWED WHO WAS IN UNIT. THEY NEVER RESPONDED. ALL THEY SAID WAS GO TO RESORT. I GO TO RESORT AND ASK WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SHOW FOR PEOPLE IN UNIT. KEN PFEIFLE OF SPM RESORTS NEVER SHOWED ME ANYTHING. HE ALSO SAID HE HAD THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF HIS EYES. I ASKED HIM TO FAX EVIDENCE. NEVER HAPPENED. BELOW, LETTER TO KEN PFEIFLE. CREDIT STILL HURT AND NOTHING FROM RCI OR RESORT. From: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
To: kpfeifle@spmresorts.com
Subject: RE: ILLEGAL USE OF PROPERTY
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:31:27 +0000

DEAR KEN,I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY THAT MY CREDIT WAS HURT BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF ACTION.I AM NOT GOING TO PAY YOU UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FRAUD AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME.IF MY CREDIT SMIRCH IS NOT REMOVED IN 10 DAYS AND YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THE EVIDENCE OF THE FRAUD,YOU WILL BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. MELINDA,YOU HAVE ALSO NOT RESPONDED TO THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.I WANT RESPONSE IN 10 DAYS FROM YOU ALSO,THANK YOU JOE WALSH

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

I CALLED OCEAN VILLAS RECORD KEEPING. THEY TOLD ME THAT I SIGNED A LEASE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO STAY IN UNIT. NEVER DID. THEY ALSO TOLD ME THERE WERE 2 OTHER GROUPS IN UNIT OVER YEARS THAT I ALLOWED IN UNITS NOT THROUGH RCI. CALLED RCI AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY SHOWED WHO WAS IN UNIT. THEY NEVER RESPONDED. ALL THEY SAID WAS GO TO RESORT. I GO TO RESORT AND ASK WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SHOW FOR PEOPLE IN UNIT. KEN PFEIFLE OF SPM RESORTS NEVER SHOWED ME ANYTHING. HE ALSO SAID HE HAD THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF HIS EYES. I ASKED HIM TO FAX EVIDENCE. NEVER HAPPENED. BELOW, LETTER TO KEN PFEIFLE. CREDIT STILL HURT AND NOTHING FROM RCI OR RESORT. From: XXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
To: kpfeifle@spmresorts.com
Subject: RE: ILLEGAL USE OF PROPERTY
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:31:27 +0000


DEAR KEN,I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY THAT MY CREDIT WAS HURT BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF ACTION.I AM NOT GOING TO PAY YOU UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FRAUD AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME.IF MY CREDIT SMIRCH IS NOT REMOVED IN 10 DAYS AND YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THE EVIDENCE OF THE FRAUD,YOU WILL BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. MELINDA,YOU HAVE ALSO NOT RESPONDED TO THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.I WANT RESPONSE IN 10 DAYS FROM YOU ALSO,THANK YOU JOE WALSH

Now we're getting somewhere.
This information should be forwarded to the Attorney General of N.C. - consumer fraud division, http://www.ncdoj.com/consumerprotection/cp_about.jsp but you have to be clear and organized and not go off on tangents about Madoff, Mexico, big business, Merrill Lynch, etc.
B.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Well, at least we are not the only ones slim rants to.

OK, slim, one more warning. Unless you conduct yourself respectfully here, and treat others with respect and dignity, I will find you in contempt.




Pretend TS4Ms Justice of the Peace JLB

[zdxlc9p6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zdxlc9p6]

Slim has swayed from RCI illegally using his resort to Blue Bay's selling points to Ocean Villas maybe renting his unit out; not RCI. Maybe we are getting to the facts after >100 posts.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

It is amazing how many people are saying that i bought from blue bay. Please read what i write. Did you read about complaint after complaint about rci? People are saying what i am thinking. We love to travel. What would i do without rci? Rci could still exist if we got the millions of dollars back that they robbed from us. Try and understand this. Over 9 months i have 67 acknowledgements from rci and there has been no no no response up to ballotti,ceo. Anybody here not get responses from rci? I have used rci 10-12 times a year,and the general rci people are nice. It is like aig. None of the people who love rci have commented about the down time and inability to use rci on the internet. This is the same or worse,not better than it was five years ago. Wake up and smell the coffee about rci. How do we get money back? It is not from the ridiculous class action settlement.

Well, excuuuuuuuuuse me. After rant after rant about RCI ripping you off and defrauding you, you finally point to complaints about Blue Bay to support your assertion. And then you are surprised that somebody might think that you bought at Blue Bay because you cite that to support your allegations???

As I've suggested before, you need to focus on presenting your thoughts cogently and lucidly.

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:31:27 +0000

"DEAR KEN,I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY THAT MY CREDIT WAS HURT BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF ACTION.I AM NOT GOING TO PAY YOU UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FRAUD AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ME.IF MY CREDIT SMIRCH IS NOT REMOVED IN 10 DAYS AND YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THE EVIDENCE OF THE FRAUD,YOU WILL BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED. MELINDA,YOU HAVE ALSO NOT RESPONDED TO THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.I WANT RESPONSE IN 10 DAYS FROM YOU ALSO,THANK YOU JOE WALSH"


If you accuse folks of something you are unable to prove, be careful, very careful of unsupported accusations. It could go very badly for you, legally. You could be charged with harrassment or worse. If a protective order was taken out against you, you can be sure that will stay with the rest of your life when CORIed. Your rants could prove your own undoing.

Also, you do not criminally charge anyone with anything, the court does provided the claim has merit (after proof).

[vintner Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close vintner]

And if you are not paying your bills (no mater if you feel they are just or correct), you are the one hurting your credit. Pay the bill and get your proof before you plan on taking anyone to court.

[slim Member Find all posts View Profile Close slim]

Rci crimes

ALL THE CRITICS, KINDLY READ BELOW AND RESPOND.THESE STATEMENTS ARE ON A SITE AND ARE IN ORDER AS YOU SEE IT. I HAVE TAKEN TIME TO RESPOND TO CRITICS BEFORE AND THEY DONT RESPOND OR APOLIGIZE. THEY FAVOR RCI AS PEOPLE FAVORED BERNIE MADOFF AND THE 50 BILLION DOLLAR PONZI SCHEME Martina of Houston TX (01/19/09)
Well I was 18 years old. I went to one of the meetings I was hammered by this sells guy and being so young I was told that I couldnt leave until I signed the contract to get me started on my free vacations. I was stuck being hammered by 4 different sales people until 11:30 ant night, they kept going at me and going at me. My friend went with me to this meeting - and in the middle of pitch she said well you just got your tax refund so that would cover your start-up well one of the sales rep listened into your so called private talk and told the manager - so he offered up more free items that I never got.

I am 27 now - that was the worse mistake that I have ever made it destroyed my credit and my life. I used it one time and it was the worse vacation in my life. I spent over $4 grand on the lowest package; I had a family emergency and needed to get to my mothers. I called up RCI to exchange my points into Flight at that time they said I could, so they set it up.

A month later I tried to set up travel again and the RCI rep said we dont do that. after I told them they did it the month before she said that must have been the special for that month. I stopped paying after that. I tried to cancel my contract the RCI rep said I couldnt until I caught up with payments, and then I would have to pay a $496.71 cancel fee. They preyed on a kid and won. I have had to over come a lot in life and this taught me a VALUABLE LESSION! Always go with your gut!

So far it has kept my credit score below 470 - despite perfect payment on school loans. I cant get a loan on a new car or a house or credit cards - I cant build my credit until this goes away - and for some reason every 3 years they open it up and leave it open for a 5 years as delinquent. I cant claim bankruptcy because I dont have enough debit! Because I cant get any debt to mess up on! Talk about FRUSTRATING! I cant get married either because it will destroy my boyfriends credit to! If you are looking to get a timeshare DONT! It is a waste of time and MONEY! The average vacation for a couple 1 time a year is 700$ at a major city with a 5 star hotel! 800$ for a all-inclusive vacation in Mexico on the BEACH!

R of Kennebunkport ME (01/16/09)
RCI's main objective is to capture your weeks so they can make a commission on a trade. Their next objective is to charge you constantly increasing fees. Now they CHARGE your credit card for an exchange search. They will also call you until you go crazy about special offers. Oh, and you pay a yearly membership fee for this.


Mike of Whitman MA (01/09/09)
i was given a coupon for a free week, to use any where within 12 months. filled out coupon, sent it in with a fifthy dollar returnable deposit, only to have it rejected because no one that did the sales pitch to me, filled in the date of the sales interview, but they cashed my check no problem for my deposit.

my vacation plans are fouled up because i chose a certain week off from work to go to west virginia, when my kids are off from school, and i cant change that week because the company wont alough it

Joanne of Staten Island NY (01/08/09)
We purchased a time share in Cancun 2006, we have paid out of pocket over $10,000.00 and to date have received little to no services. I had my niece use the accomodations and they were so bad she had to check out and get a hotel. Also their sales reps use alcohol to get their prospective targets drunk to complete their scams.

I have refused to pay the past two months payments of $447.96 a month and will not pay the maintance fee of $800.00 which is due in March as this is definitely a scam.

Mary of Hamilton Square NJ (01/05/09)
Ongoing problems with website. I have been unable to search for and book a vacation due to a non-functioning website. Customer Service has been unable to solve the problem. The problem is not with my computer as they imply since I am having the same problem on 3 computers in my home as well as my work computer.

I am forced to pay yearly maintenance fees for a service that I cannot use.

Lyndsey of Mount Pleasant MI (12/27/08)
My husband and I had decided to take the credit card offer from Bank of America that had a partnership with RCI to earn rewards. Later on down the road we decided to cancel the credit card, unaware that we would also lose our rewards that we had accumulated with RCI. I don't understand why the rewards account was closed when those rewards were earned by us spending money, how can they take them away, even if we cancel our credit card?

We lost out on the rewards that we accumulated by using our Bank of America credit card and then canceling it. I'm not sure how much that even is worth because when I canceled the credit card, they also closed the RCI Rewards account. Lost all rewards.

Valentin of Huntington Station NY (12/17/08)
We have been members with RCI for about 2 years and have never been able to book a vacation with them. They NEVER have anything available comparable to what we gave them, which is a high end 2 bedroom lock off unit with a Master bedroom suite in Playa Del Carmen Mexico. I told my husband at the beginning of July 2008 to get on the phone and don't hang up till you book us a vacation through this place. He ended up booking us in February 2009 in the MOON PALACE in the Dominican that is set to open January 10th 2009.

I have a sixteen year old daughter by a previous marriage so she comes with us , and we usually bring a friend for her to hang out with. At the time my husband made these reservations the representative from RCI told him that it was a Jr suite, so he booked one suite for us with the timeshare week and paid a deposit to get an adjoining suite for my daughter and her friend. Turns out that my daughter's friend can't go with us that week so not wanting my daughter to be on vacation in a suite by herself, I paid a fee to RCI to cancel one of them.

Get the cancellation and decide to look at the fine print and realize we don't have a suite we have basically a hotel room as a trade for a two bedroom. I call RCI to see if I can get an upgrade to larger accommodations and RCI tells me finally after a dozen phone calls that the Moon Palace only gives them rooms and not the larger accommodations. So the best that they could do so my (second husband ) and my sixteen year old daughter aren't in the same one room for a week, is to rent another room for more money now and pay the all inclusive price for four people instead of the three people in our party.

I tried to call the Moon Palace directly to see if I could get an upgrade from them and they said they are not allowed to give upgrades to people that contract through RCI. The morale of the story is, I gave them my beautiful 2 bedroom to be crammed into a one room with three people and more money than if I booked it straight through the hotel at least I would have been able to get a one bedroom suite for less than I'm paying to keep my family in separate rooms on vacation.PS The RCI representative knew all along that he was just giving us a room and passing it off as a suite.


Marie of San Diego CA (12/04/08)
I've had my RCI timeshare for some 20 years and never had trouble getting reservations until 2008. Now it's constantly UNAVAILABLE, yet they keep selling more timeshares; i.e. more memberships. Actually, when I pretended I was interested in BUYING a timeshare, suddenly I was able to get reservations of my choice, albeit for only 3 nights/2 days, AT NO CHARGE. These people at RCI, Las Vegas are fleecing the owners who paid a fortune for their timeshares -- and the maintenance fees just keep going up every year!

Now I don't have the annual vacation I've been paying for, but RCI keeps selling timeshares for space that is NOT available in the first place. This is blantant FRAUD and must be stopped.

K of Chantilly VA (11/29/08)
My wife and I, unfortunately, purchased a Vacation Club membership with RCI/Raintree Vaction club. We were on vacation in Cabo at the Westin and were pushed into attending a sales seminar. We were plied with alcohol and hard-selled. My wife was very interested and I begrudgingly agreed. We didn't realize the scam until we got home and tried to schedule a vacation.

We've called over 10 times to make a reservation and everything is always sold out or unavailable. We're out of $12K and yearly maintenance fees. Outside of canceling the membership and eating the money, I don't know what to do. I'd like to be part of a class-action lawsuit against RCI, but I'm not a lawyer. They have scammed and stolen far too much to allow them to continue this obvious fraud. While I do bear responsibility for the purchase, I was not given what I paid to receive.

My wife and I lost about $14,000 total. We now have to find even more money during these tough economic times to pay our bills and plan any type of vacation. The intense stress and anguish I feel over wasting some of our savings is indescribable. My wife has cried numerous times about being swindled and being unable to receive any from of restitution.

Kam of Burnaby BC (11/29/08)
First of all Do Not buy time share from BlueBay or Temptation resort in Cancun. My story is too long to be told here but trust me. With this stupid 6000 poits rules its not worth it. I noticed some people have started a class action lawsuit. we would like to contribute to that.

Matthew of Sint Kat Waver OTHER (11/19/08)
We inherited our timeshares 4 yrs ago in the Canary Islands toegether with an RCI membership. We could exchange our weeks for RCI points to be used in exchanging for weeks of our choice. CHOICE ? There is no choice, I have NEVER EVER been able to get what I want in the exchange programme. I have only been to some magnificent photographs in their catalogue.

The RCI website works well, once you manage to get logged on, somehow RCI keeps changing our login and password codes. Anyway, RCI is a gigantic waste of time and I get positively sick even when I hear the name RCI.

We are now trying to cancel our membership with RCI, which is a near impossible thing to do. RCI has a stranglehold over you.

Scott of Centreville VA (11/14/08)
Have had the RCI timeshare for going on 4 years. Purchased when I was in my late 70's. I discussed then decided I was interested. This round-about conversation continued. I kept getting phone calls. I got promised different things and finally agreed and a contract was sent to me after paying $10,000. When I received the contract I again changed my mind. When I called to cancel within the 30 days the rep started making more promises such as an annual bonus week, which would only cost me the exchange rate.

I was promised I could go anywhere in the world yet everytime I try to book my week there never seems to be availability. I feel like I was prayed upon and have felt sick to my stomach every since. I told RCI I wanted to sell my timeshare and they said they could do it for $300. If it wasn't sold within so many days (I think 6 months) or if I sold it first then I would get my money refunded. I have called many times about that and get nothing but a run-around about it. I guess I didn't learn my lesson the first time. After you add up all the fees and then the exchange rate it is rather absurd. I would be better off just paying for a regular vacation going where I wanted in a quality hotel.

The facilities I seem to end up with are mostly dumps. Spent a week recently in Ormond Beach FL. There were roaches in the room. The young lady at the desk handed me a can of spray and said I could borrow it. I just wish I could get my money back and put it to better use. None of my children want anything to do with the timeshare so it isn't going to be handed down to them.

I JUST SUBMITTED THIS INFORMATION AND NOW FEEL YOU ARE PRAYING ON ME.

Scott of Centreville VA (11/14/08)
Have had the RCI timeshare for going on 4 years. Purchased when I was in my late 70's. I discussed then decided I was interested. This round-about conversation continued. I kept getting phone calls. I got promised different things and finally agreed and a contract was sent to me after paying $10,000. When I received the contract I again changed my mind. When I called to cancel within the 30 days the rep started making more promises such as an annual bonus week, which would only cost me the exchange rate. I was promised I could go anywhere in the world yet everytime I try to book my week there never seems to be availability.

I feel like I was prayed upon and have felt sick to my stomach every since. I told RCI I wanted to sell my timeshare and they said they could do it for $300. If it wasn't sold within so many days (I think 6 months) or if I sold it first then I would get my money refunded. I have called many times about that and get nothing but a run-around about it. I guess I didn't learn my lesson the first time.

After you add up all the fees and then the exchange rate it is rather absurd. I would be better off just paying for a regular vacation going where I wanted in a quality hotel. The facilities I seem to end up with are mostly dumps.

Spent a week recently in Ormond Beach FL. There were roaches in the room. The young lady at the desk handed me a can of spray and said I could borrow it.

I just wish I could get my money back and put it to better use. None of my children want anything to do with the timeshare so it isn't going to be handed down to them.

James of Hamburg PA (11/12/08)
My wife and I celebrated our anniversary in Gatlinburg, TN. While there we were offered a bunch of free tickets and stuff to sit in on a meeting. Before going we promised we wouldn't do buy whatever it was they were selling. While in the meeting, though, the sales agent made it sound like a dream come true. When we asked questions, his answers were perfect. Despite our previous vow not to buy in, we both readily agreed to the offer. After using our points twice, though, we have discovered it has been a huge waste of our money. Not only are we paying more than we would on a regular vacation, but we are not getting what we were promised. There are so many hidden fees and limitations on what you can do. If anyone can help me seek legal action against them, I would greatly appreciate it!


Craig of Red Deer OTHER (10/26/08)
I purchased weeks and points while on vacation in cancun at a blue bay resort. I had the sales manager, explain to me and answer questions of mine in details which are the complete opposite of the service I am recieving. Some of his answers must have been outright lies while some of the answers have been change due to this bait and switch that RCI and Blue Bay seem to have come to an agreement on.

What it comes down to is that I spent around $8000 dollars for some Blue Bay resort weeks that I was hoping to rent out for money through Blue Bay's rental program which was promised to me would happen from the sales manager(which later was explained to me could not happen anymore and that all I could get in return for renting my weeks is food and drink credit at their resorts) and that I could use my points without restriction through RCI to book flights and hotels, etc.

Well as all of you my points are now practically useless with the 60000 point maximum that has been imposed on us. A complete change from the service that I signed up for when I purchased my weeks/points from Blue Bay. Please let me know how I can assist in any type of class action lawsuit as I like all you others would just like to stop wasting my time and recuperate my money now.

Economic damages of about $8000 lost. Plus time and money spent trying to get explanations of why I am not getting what I paid for.

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

Question:

Are you for real ? Seriously.

These folks entered legally binding contracts, as you did, as I have , as all TS owners have. Live with it. Either accept your colossal error or prove, with evidence, fraud. However, assign blame to the responsible party. Always "get it in writing" and always, always do due diligence. You didn't (as with the repeated list), that's apparent and now you want to blame anyone but yourself.




I am done with fanning the flames of insanity here.

[joycapecod Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close joycapecod]

And how many times are you going to post the comments from those who have made the mistake of buying retail from developers? This is the second cut and paste of the same site.

Not one of these people bought from RCI. Their complaint is with the developer or the timeshare group from which they bought; RCI has NOTHING to do with it. RCI is just a facilitator of exchanges or rentals; they are not in the business of selling timeshares.

Slim, I don't know what you are trying to prove or say. I don't know what you think those on this site can do to assist you. I don't think anyone knows what you are trying to state that Ocean Villas did. Did they rent your unit without your consent? Did RCI exchange someone in to it without your depositing it? Did you not pay your maintenance fees are Ocean Villas assumed possession?

I have read and reread this thread and have become more and more confused about what issues you are trying to address. Maybe I'm stupid and just don't get it, but your writing is too convoluted for me to grasp.

Stick a fork in me; I'm done!

Joy

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

Slim, Slim, Slim, we all feel your pain, but you are directing your anger to the wrong entity. You purchased all your points from Blue Bay not RCI. RCI has an affiliation agreement with Blue Bay and that agreement can be cancelled or changed by RCI at anytime for various reasons. You had the opportunity to read the contract before you purchased from Blue Bay. I presume the “small print” was included in that contract. You had the opportunity to walk away and you didn’t.

You and those who bought from Blue Bay should be directing your anger and frustration at them. Is RCI perfect; no, they are not. RCI has the obligation to protect their exchange group for the majority of the membership (this is a debatable statement, but for argument let’s presume this is true). Blue Bay sells millions or billions of points to unsuspecting buyers. Those points start to flood the RCI system and RCI must in turn move them to recoup the funds spent to pay for the rental cars, hotel stays, cruises and air fares used by Blue Bay owners. If there are no members wishing to vacation at Blue Bay and use cash for exchange fees and one of their valuable deposits that can go in to the rental pool then the entire system fails.

Blue Bay, from what I can tell is not on most members’ short list of vacation destinations. If RCI can’t get the value from the points then they (RCI) need to change the points structure to protect the system.

Think of this in terms of being a landlord. You rent your property using a lease agreement. Does that lease agreement remain the same forever? No, you can change the agreement, depending on term whenever you need to. You will change the amount of rent, you may change the term of the agreement, and you could state that certain maintenance items are now the renter responsibility. You may allow pets, or you may change your mind and state no pets. It is your business and you have the right to modify the terms. Much the same as RCI has done.

Blue Bay flooded the system with cheap and devalued points. Blue Bay members were using those decreased valued points to buy airfare and car rentals, cruises and hotel rooms. RCI needed to move these points to pay for the value of the aforementioned travel items to protect the integrity of the system. In order to do that, RCI needed to reduce the amount of points a Blue Bay member could deposit.

Slim, we all feel your pain. Many of us have been RCI members for years and have seen the changes and even though we don’t like them, or don’t agree with them if we want to participate in their exchange system we must abide by them.

Joy

Joy, what a great explanation you gave us here and it all makes sense now. You are right, Slim should be angry at Blue Bay and not at RCI.

Slim, are you from a foreign country? Do you grasp what Joy wrote here? How many other resorts do what Blue Bay is doing with flooding the market with too many points? By doing this, they have hurt all owners who own points at their resort or family of resorts, imho. What a mess.

[vintner Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close vintner]

I have yet to figure out what Bernie Madoff has got to do with this. And when reading this, not sure what RCI is doing either. It appears that slim owns in NC, but multiple times will repost notes from other sites that do not deal with his ownership. He appears to be upset with anyone that has two nickels to rub together, but then talks about chartering a boat and deep sea fishing and that is not cheap. He is upset his credit has been hurt, but it is because he has not paid his bills.

I agree, it does sound like someone probably not able to express himself because of a language issue.