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  • The Brave New World of RCI

    Poking around the new RCI search system, looking at east coast beaches, Florida, Europe, and the Caribbean, several things are evident:
    1) the majority of weeks availible now have a cash or exchange option.
    2) cash prices are low, often with cash prices in the ballpark of maintenance fee plus exchange fee, but sometimes much much less even for good weeks.
    3) even for sold out Weeks resorts, the number of weeks in the ''exchange only'' category is often a distinct minority, and usually not the better weeks.
    4) the cash only weeks are often the more desirable weeks and more desirable resorts, even if the resort is sold-out Weeks only and the HOA does not bank association weeks.

    It appears that this is a major transitioning as RCI moves from an exchange system to a rental system. Owning multiple weeks, especially with medium to high m/f to use for exchange is no longer a viable RCI option. At least for the immediate future, using their cash option is attractive. The best stance is to own one RCI week to access the system, but I suspect there are rental portals out there with the same or better prices where one does not even have to do that. Until someone finds the non-member rental portals with the same price, it has suddenly become worthwhile to renew RCI membership for the short term. Eventually they will probably raise the prices and then RCI will be worthless in terms of paying to be a member.

    There are still some places where exchanging saves some money or is a break even proposition, but owning weeks to exchange with RCI is no longer a viable proposition going forward.

    I expect many owners looking at RCI and seeing their rental weeks, even in better periods in some cases, priced below m/f's is going to cause some consternation to be expressed to HOA's. Their multi-week owners who trade will probably start downsizing as a result of RCI's moves, dumping even more weeks out on a saturated resale market.

    While shortterm there are benefits we can reep as individuals, what RCI has done is to further kick the ownership/exchange model of timesharing in the teeth. Resorts whose membership base in heavily exchange-oriented and are RCI affiliated are going to be the most vulnerable.

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    I wonder if RCI is eventually going to allow members to join for a price, and not even need to deposit a week/points for exchanging?

    Wait, but then where would they get their properties for renting.......RCI is very confusing to me.
    Angela

    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ArtsieAng View Post
      I wonder if RCI is eventually going to allow members to join for a price, and not even need to deposit a week/points for exchanging?

      Wait, but then where would they get their properties for renting.......RCI is very confusing to me.
      My thought on this is that they have agreements in place that require resorts to give them units directly....they don't have to wait for your deposit.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by katiemack View Post
        My thought on this is that they have agreements in place that require resorts to give them units directly....they don't have to wait for your deposit.
        I'm sure that all the exchange companies have such arrangements. However, RCI seems to be gearing their company more, and more toward rentals, and less, and less toward exchanges.

        If that's the case, in addition to members with deposits, why not just charge a price for membership without deposits, and be done with it?
        Angela

        If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

        BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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        • #5
          I have long believed that Wyndham was heading toward an operating model in which the timeshare business was fully integrated into the rest of the travel options, with RCI Points simply being "funny money" to use in their network. You deposit your week, you get points, you can then use those points as currency for the full range of other services

          The incentive for people to continue to deposit prime weeks will simply depend on whether the points offered by RCI for those weeks make that a worthwhile option for those owners.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ArtsieAng View Post
            I wonder if RCI is eventually going to allow members to join for a price, and not even need to deposit a week/points for exchanging?

            Wait, but then where would they get their properties for renting.......RCI is very confusing to me.
            They already have the program where you can sign up a friend or family member for the EVs/Last Calls only for a set price (I think there were 1 and 5 year programs available). No requirement that they own anything.

            They will continue to get inventory as they have always gotten inventory. Owner inventory seems to be a very small portion anyway.

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            • #7
              BoardGirl

              They already have the program where you can sign up a friend or family member for the EVs/Last Calls only for a set price (I think there were 1 and 5 year programs available). No requirement that they own anything.
              Hmmmm, do you know how much it is to join? Are the EV's/LC's worth joining for?
              Angela

              If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

              BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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              • #8
                I don't recall, but it was cheap IMO, if the person used it (point being, avoid GC fees). I think it was maybe $150 for a year???

                You could give permission for them to access your account (allegedly the VC's would make sure person had permission before using your best trader ... )

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                • #9
                  ArtsieA

                  I joined for 1 year waayy back (5 yrs ago) just for the LC/EV offerings. In all that time looking almost daily in the wee hours of the day, I never once saw anything I could use. I live in Calif. so that could be the big problem for me. Everything available was always in Florida, Eastern Mexico, or Branson. None of those are last minute options for me way out west.

                  From reading the forums, I gather RCI has only gotten worse with lack of good exchanges and Last Call sort of stuff anywhere, shifting to a rental agency instead. I still like II although I don't do as much exchanging as I did in years past. I really like the options available using SFX and TPI to get to resorts that aren't affiliated with II. That is another reason I won't pay to join RCI anytime soon. The only thing they have left as a draw is DVC exchanges and I suspect that will dry up before too long.

                  So...bottom line, no it's not worth the fee to join RCI just to access LC/EV.
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                  • #10
                    BoardGirl

                    I don't recall, but it was cheap IMO, if the person used it (point being, avoid GC fees). I think it was maybe $150 for a year???
                    Barndweller

                    So...bottom line, no it's not worth the fee to join RCI just to access LC/EV.
                    You know, I just remembered having this discussion once before. I sometimes get confused with RCI. With all that's been posted, it's hard to keep track.

                    OK, not worth joining for the EV's & LC's. Thanks!
                    Angela

                    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by katiemack View Post
                      My thought on this is that they have agreements in place that require resorts to give them units directly....they don't have to wait for your deposit.
                      According to a resort manager I talked to in Europe, they actually do that there, but that is not the case in the US or Caribbean.

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                      • #12
                        I just did an analysis of what I can pull up on the OBX for Nags Head, looking at four long sold out resorts, that have nothing to do with points, two of which have warned members that cruise exchanges are ripoffs, and which do not deposit HOA inventory to RCI. All RCI inventory at all four would be owner deposits only, and extremely unlikely to be connected to cruises, PFD, etc. The breakdown of weeks offered for cash only ($), Exchange Only (X), or Cash or Excahnge ($/X) is as follows:

                        $ 18 weeks
                        X 16 weeks
                        $/X 56 weeks

                        For weeks between April and October:
                        $ 9 weeks
                        X 0 weeks
                        $/X 0 weeks

                        I also looked at two hard to exchange into resorts on the SE coast which are Weeks-only, long sold out and would generally have the same profile. I do not know about HOA deposits at one but from discussions a couple years ago with the manager at the other they do not do it. These are Isle of Palms Beach Club (Charleston, SC area) and Tybrisa (Savannah area). At Isle of Palms, two weeks were availible, both cash only, while at Tybrisa, 5 weeks were availible, 4 cash only and one cash or exchange.

                        The looting of spacebank deposits for rentals has clearly been ratcheted up another notch.

                        However having just scored a nice spring week and a summer week at resorts I am really happy with for around $200 each as rentals on this side of the pond, I think I will continue my RCI membership for a while to be able to loot this inventory while I can. I know the gravy train will not last forever, however.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ArtsieAng View Post
                          You know, I just remembered having this discussion once before. I sometimes get confused with RCI. With all that's been posted, it's hard to keep track.

                          OK, not worth joining for the EV's & LC's. Thanks!
                          Angela,

                          I also have momentary lapses and think I'm joining RCI too...but I never go through with it! Stay strong, girlfriend!

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                          • #14
                            If you consider that most inventory is now ''cash or exchange'' and that better inventory is more likely to be cash only, and that after this revision some of the cash prices are darn good, I have actually changed my mind and think that it is worth keeping the RCI membership I had intended to give up. Giving them deposits is one thing, but I just snagged a couple of good rentals for next year for around $200 each. Why own to exchange at RCI? Own where you want to go all the time, or to use with other exchange companies. For RCI, take their cash deals.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by StressCadet
                              Angela,

                              I also have momentary lapses and think I'm joining RCI too...but I never go through with it! Stay strong, girlfriend!
                              I do like the Disney's resorts, Gurney's, and a couple of others that are restricted to RCI. However, I have trouble using the weeks that I currently own, so I have a hard time justifying picking something up for use in RCI.

                              Who knows, maybe one day.......
                              Angela

                              If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                              BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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