New criticism of OLCC on TUG

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Sorry I'm hogging it right now. I keep having thoughts. I'll try not to for awhile.

Here's my thought.

Is not the refusal of OL to let go of the unit assignment task just so they can assure owners who trade in that they can get better units than they own, an admission that there are some problem units, units they do not want their own owners to stay in, even though those people own them, or similar lesser units?

I sense this issue is what's behind the current OL survey. There obviously is a desire on OL's part to totally control internal exchanges, to totally control where they place their owners, as a privilege of ownership.

Why don't they just go private, stop exchanges altogether, in and out?

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

Does the developer run the HOA, or do owners have a say?

Is there an owner board that is active and can make changes if needed?

I know that developer-controlled properties do not necessarily listen to owners, but with OLCC being started by a guy of high morals and standards (forgot his name), I would think consideration of owners would be a number one priority. I guess my question is: So if owners are tired of old units and hearing complaints from others, do they get heard or ignored?

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Sorry I'm hogging it right now. I keep having thoughts. I'll try not to for awhile.

Here's my thought.

Is not the refusal of OL to let go of the unit assignment task just so they can assure owners who trade in that they can get better units than they own, an admission that there are some problem units, units they do not want their own owners to stay in, even though those people own them, or similar lesser units?

I sense this issue is what's behind the current OL survey. There obviously is a desire on OL's part to totally control internal exchanges, to totally control where they place their owners, as a privilege of ownership.

Why don't they just go private, stop exchanges altogether, in and out?

stop thinking, your brain is over-heating.

Where would they get their new meat if they stopped exchanges?

Although, if someone wanted to sell me an over-priced, high MF unit in Orlando I would THINK they wouldn't stick me in a 25 year old golf villa and call me DAILY for a sales pitch. So how smart is this owner preference exchange when many of those "own" those older units to begin with albeit not the week they exchange to?

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

That's another good point, Lawren. If you get stuck in a distressed unit, your impression of the resort would tend to be negative. Definitely a strike against getting exchangers to buy if you can even get them to the salesman. If I recall correctly, Orange Lake supposedly has a 5 year refurbishment plan and I wonder if the distressed units have gone beyond that limitation.
The man that started Orange Lake was Kemmons Wilson who formerly headed the Holdiay Inns. I thought I would mention this as someone asked and there are some here that haven't shown the ability to get the name right. Kemmons died in 2003 but his family is still involved in the resort.

[rapmarks Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close rapmarks]

alll this talk of checking i early is getting to me. We were not allowed to check in until exactly 4 o'clock. even at 3:55 the unit was not ready. the lobby was filled with peole waiting to get into line to check in. How come you guys got to check in early.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

alll this talk of checking i early is getting to me. We were not allowed to check in until exactly 4 o'clock. even at 3:55 the unit was not ready. the lobby was filled with peole waiting to get into line to check in. How come you guys got to check in early.

Last time I was there last year. I was able to get my room at about 11am. I called ahead to let them know that I was checking out of another resort which I was and I was homeless. They had a lot of rooms ready but the better rooms were scarce. I was told that the better rooms were for owners but they knew how many were needed and I was able to get a good room since I was there early.

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

We didn't check in until midnight

So checking in on time would be better than taking the leftovers at a late hour, as we did.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

If those Aussies we talked to in the hot tub the last time we were there, the ones that were staying five consecutive weeks, the ones that told us they had to move to a different unit every Saturday, the ones that said they had to be out by 10:00 and not check back in until 4:00, had been given the same consideration you were shown, they never would have told us what they did, I never would have started that thread Over Yonder talking about it, the repercussions from that might never have happened, and the whole world might have been different today.

Well, there's a steak on the BBQ, sweet corn on the stove, and I've got a Bud Light in my hand. So why should I care if someone has a crappy unit at a timeshare resort in Orlando?

Last time I was there last year. I was able to get my room at about 11am. I called ahead to let them know that I was checking out of another resort which I was and I was homeless. .

[LynnW Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close LynnW]

We stayed at Orange Lake for 2 weeks in 2003 over Easter. We had spent the night before at the Vacation Village at Parkway and drove over to Orange Lake just before noon. They had assigned us a unit in the West Village and I asked to be moved to the Tennis Villas as our 11 and 13 yr old grandsons were going to be there and we wanted to be close to the main pool and the mini golf. It was no problem and we were checked in and at the airport by 3:00 pm to pick up our daughter and family. I felt that maybe it was because we arrived early that we were able to do that. We enjoyed our stay and the unit was fine but I still prefer a smaller resort. We had stayed at Vistana before and we all agreed we liked it better because the pools were not as crowded. However we had a problem there with the unit not being as clean as it should have been and checking in late we didn't notice until the next day. You could really tell after the mid-week cleaning as everything was spotless. Orange Lake would not be my choice again but everyone should be entitled to their own opinion.

Lynn

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

Developers should not be management after 5-7 years

Having one timeshare still under the regal control of just such a "benevolent" developer and another that was for the first 10 years my experience says they may say they will refurbish every five years, they may even say they are collecting enough from the owner to do it and certainly are always "continuously renovating units" yet somehow your unit - and the ones oh so many others see to get - are never the ones that got the work.

The problem is when the time comes to spend the money there really isn't enough there to do all that is required and pay the tremendous fees these types of developer/managements always command. They don't collect enough because that number would scare away buyers and we know they can't have that. So some units get done, sometimes they try to piecemeal some new stuff among the old and overall the quality suffers. Add in lackluster cleaning and you have a bad situation and all too common.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

It appears that the Orange Lake problem is all due to what I call prejudicial assignments. In timesharing, I believe that a deposited unit with the exchange company should be the unit given to the party confirming the exchange. .

Many inventory control systems for bulk-banking resorts with flioating usage don't associate a specific unit with deposit.

For example. let's say a resort has one hundred 2-bedroom units available for check-in on a specific day, fifty of which are oceanview fifty of which are garden view. Furthermore, within each category ten of the units are ADA-compliant for people with mobility disabilities.

Let's say the resort bulk banks 20 units. So the resort has ot committed to accommodate 20 incoming exchangers in 2-bedroom units for that check-in date. When the resort does that, the inventory control system now lmits the allowable total number of owner requests to 80.

As onwer requests come in, the owners requests are matched up with available space. Ocean view owners get assigned to ocean view, up to a maximum of 50 requests. Garden view gets assigned to garden view up to a maximum of 50 requests.

But in no case may the total number of ocean view + garden view requests exceed 80. So if 50 of the first 80 owner reqeusts are for garden view, the resort will only be able to accommodate 30 ocean view owners, with the remaining 20 iocean view units all going to incoming exchangers. And, of course, if you flip the numbers all 20 incoming exchangers could wind up in garden view.

After the 80 owner request cutoff is reached, the exchangers simply go into the 20 spaces that weren't assigned to owners.

The ADA units get reserved on a needs-requested basis in a similar fashion. If an exchanger requests an ADA unit, that gets flagged, and the inventory control system knows to only accept 19 ADA compliant unit requessts total from owners.

Note that in this system, there is no specific unit deposited by the owner to give to an inmcomg exchanger.

This type of system affords the maximum flexibility to the resort to accommodate requests by owners. If you own to exhange it is not an optimum reservation system for your resort to use. If you own to use, it is an ideal system because it maximizes your ability as an owner to secure use time at your own resort.

The system I describe above is essentially the system used by the formerly Embassy Poipu on Kaua`i where we own. When we first bought there I didn't understand bulk banking. After I got on TUG and learned about bulk banking and saw the many negative cmments about bulk banking I was disappointed. After owning and using it for a few years, I completely changed my mind. A reservation system such as that is the best system for owners at floating resorts who own to use.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

weren't we just discussing this?

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24332

Lawren, what happened to your link? Did they pull it?

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showpos...01&postcount=3

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

Lawren, what happened to your link? Did they pull it?

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showpos...01&postcount=3

The link works fine for me.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

This is the link I am referring to:

Let's take a look at what OLCC hypes as a 2 bedroom accomodation on their website: http://www.orangelake.com/tour_our_r...om_villas.html

I get "The page cannot be found".

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

This is the link I am referring to:

Let's take a look at what OLCC hypes as a 2 bedroom accomodation on their website: http://www.orangelake.com/tour_our_r...om_villas.html

I get "The page cannot be found".

try tour_our_resort/two-bedroom_villas.html after http://www.orangelake.com

or this
I think it get trimmed

Jya-Ning