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  • #61
    A person who started out being a nice young man just called to assist us in signing the contract(s) and getting our money sent.

    When I asked my questions, his response was that the contract cannot be altered or notations made in any way. I explained that that means that we have to lie, to sign or initial that we have been provided stuff, and read stuff, that we have not been provided.

    I told him we have altered RE contracts many times, by handwriting in the corrections or notations, and both the seller and buyer initialing them. That is common, accepted RE practice.

    As an example, one item says that without the legal description, the contract is not valid. Exhibit A, Legal Description, is blank. Another item says we have received copies of the preliminary title report, covenants and restrictions, etc., and we have not. One item says we intend to use the house as our primary residence, and they know it is to be a second home. We have to lie about those, and more.

    He went away and spoke to his manager.

    We discussed it again, and it ended with we need to sign the imperfect contract and say we were provided and read stuff we were not provided.

    Cuz that's the way it is.

    NOTE: The failure to perform the above will be considered a Buyer's default and may be subject to the damages as stated in the TERMS & CONDITIONS and the transaction terminated.

    I also mentioned that I was not comfortable with the fact that there is an open house at the property this weekend, and the real live RE Agent could present an offer before auction.com does. I said there should a least be a moratorium on properties that get a winning bid, until the seller rejects that bid, like a pending contract. He agreed with that.

    He also said the contract is slanted in favor of the seller. Duh!

    It will now be sent to DW's email, so she can sign and submit it . . . once she gets home . . . she's visiting a friend/relative in hospital today. (Now done)

    Part of the process is to send auction.com an email with the wire transfer instructions, when I do that tomorrow, and I intend to add to that a note concerning the things that we had to say we received that we did not, so it will be in writing at least somewhere.

    They were not willing to put in writing any of the discussions we have had today. Not on chat or email.
    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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    • #62
      Originally posted by JLB View Post
      Very few would have done the amount of due diligence we have done.
      How true and most would have been a homeowner by now.

      You seem to be stuck in what us realtors call, paralysis of analysis.
      I hope you find a cure for what ails you real soon before you lose your dream home to some uneducated buyer.


      Originally posted by JLB

      Like I said, isn't that the same thing a RE agent does, without all the hassle?
      Not quite.
      If you were honestly dealing with an agent, you'd have been a homeowner 20 years ago.

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      • #63
        All I want to know...
        Did you buy the property?
        I have 2 rentals in Sarasota and here in Toronto.
        Just this morning I looked at listings and thinking to invest again...
        I would love to have a conversation with someone, maybe the OP...
        about it.
        Leave the bickering out please!
        Thanks, csavargo

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        • #64
          I am the OP, so . . . converse.
          - - - - - -
          For whatever reason, yes, there have been distractions here lately. If there is bickering, and you feel it is distractive, just put the perp(s) on your Ignore List. Open the User CP to do that. Then, carry on your discussion, ask your questions, etc., as if they are not there.
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          There are a lot of people considering doing what we are doing, and I have studied doing it for close to a year, so there is value in knowing what it really takes to do it, which can only come from someone doing it.

          As I said (yesterday @ 4:54), as it turns out, auction.com is just a glorified and convoluted way to make an offer, not to actually buy a property. We will not know until Fannie Mae responds.

          If you won an auction and met the reserve, it would be closer to a done deal, but of the 79 online auctions I followed, only one of them met the reserve.

          In talking to all the people I have had to talk to the last few days, I believe I heard that there are something like 500 winning bidders being translated into offers right now, others doing exactly what we are trying to do.

          Plus, it adds the buyer's premium ($2500 on this offer, or 5%) to the cost of the purchase. It's only money, right?

          Today is hopefully the last of what I have to do (well, maybe except for financing if we go that route).

          More inflexibility.

          We are in the middle of a snowstorm and I was unable to get a wire transfer executed from home, and also unable to waive the requirement that that be done today and only today. I had to go 15 miles on snowcovered Ozarks roads, and I was the only customer where I had to go (only customer all day and they were locking the doors when I got there).

          I have to notify auction.com by email with proof that the wire transfer has been ordered, and I am waiting for a confirmation phone call, and email, from our bank before I can do that.

          I spoke to the closing/escrow agent and they were sympathetic, putting a note on our account concerning our efforts to get the funds there today.
          - - - - - -
          If you have missed my point in all of this, if there is a bank-owned property you are interested in, just make an offer through the RE listing agent, and avoid all this crap. Make a lowball offer and let them counter. The listing agent showed us the house while we were in Florida, and we should have done that then.

          It would not be disappointing if we do not get this house. Except for all the work I have done, we would at least be back to square one. Yesterday I received emails from two RE agents we struck up with while there, with even better properties for our purpose for not much more. There's plenty more in the pipeline.
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          Ta da . . . the bank just called to confirm my wire instructions and agreed to send a confirmation email I can forward on to auction.com.
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          Don't you think it's appropriate that after 20 years of thinking about buying a winter home in Florida, to get away from the cold and snow, that the one day I have to do it, I have to run around in a snowstorm?
          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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          • #65
            A person I will call Damage Control with Auction.com just called to see what all happened yesterday and to try to figure out why it did. The short of it is, it was not supposed to go like it did.

            She admitted that there are things that we were not provided that their system forces us to say we have been. But, for now, inflexibility rules the day.

            She said she is going to report it to their manager. & she apologized.

            We talked about things that could be done to improve the system.

            Like, not trying to put together 500 deals all the same day, & not requiring winning bidders to get everything done in 24 hours, & answering the phone and replying to emails in a timely manner.

            Anyway, we've done all they required.
            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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            • #66
              Originally posted by JLB View Post
              I have to notify auction.com by email with proof that the wire transfer has been ordered, and I am waiting for a confirmation phone call, and email, from our bank before I can do that.
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              Ta da . . . the bank just called to confirm my wire instructions and agreed to send a confirmation email I can forward on to auction.com.
              Done.

              Ally bank performed spectacularly, just like their ads.
              RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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              • #67
                Here's hoping it all works out!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by longtimer View Post
                  Here's hoping it all works out!
                  Thanks.

                  Either way it will, as everything always has for me and mine.

                  It's just that sometimes when you are up to your @$$ in alligators you forget that then objective was to drain the swamp.

                  BTW, that's a saying from before the time when the objective was to refill the swamp.
                  RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                  • #69
                    jlb


                    Interesting Article from Daily Finance

                    Who's to Blame for the Mortgage Mess?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Marti View Post

                      Interesting Article from Daily Finance

                      Who's to Blame for the Mortgage Mess?
                      I didn't read it, cuz I'm pre-occupied right now, but assume it says me.

                      Needless to say, I have been reading mortgage mess finger-pointing stuff for, what, two or three years? I even have some ideas on how help resolve it.(Time flies when you're having fun.)
                      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                      • #71
                        I just got another call from auction.com, following up on my email from three days ago when I was trying to find answers we needed to have three days ago, to execute the contract that had to be executed that day.

                        I was uncomfortable that she asked questions that she should have the answers to, like, "Did you send the earnest money?" so I said, "It makes me uncomfortable when you ask questions that you should have the answer to, like Did you send the earnest money?"

                        So she said, "Let me check," and when she came back she said, "Yes you did."

                        Well, of course, I knew I did, but that's not important if they did not know I did, or had not received it.

                        Then she said out contract had been sent over. I was afraid to ask what that might mean.
                        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                        • #72
                          I am still receiving listings from RE Agents in the Englewood/Port Charlotte area, focusing on waterfront homes under $75K, mostly Bay/Gulf access canal homes.

                          You should really go look yourself, but some are quite nice.

                          As they say, "Cash talks, and -- walks."
                          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                          • #73
                            Another electronic fund transfer I also did last Wednesday (four days ago) has not posted at the receiving bank yet.

                            I can imagine how bent out of shape auction.com would be if that happened to the one going to them.



                            Not anything I can control.
                            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                            • #74
                              Weichert: Eight Englewood Florida House Photos

                              Originally posted by JLB

                              Martin Dr
                              Englewood, FL

                              You are the highest bidder.
                              Sold Subject To!!!


                              I'm waiting for a phone call.
                              Is this the Florida house you bid on
                              It doesn`t look like its on a canal.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Marti
                                Is this the Florida house you bid on
                                It doesn`t look like its on a canal.
                                Have you not read all the posts? No one is supposed to care! You'll put yourself in jeopardy by acting like you do.

                                You do know how to googlemap, don't you, or how to access Charlotte County GIS? You can google that, too.

                                Well, heck, let me just do that.

                                " + theTitle + "

                                At the bottom click on Address, then over on the right put in 1182 and Martin.

                                Play around with it. It's one of the best County GIS's you'll ever see.


                                Here's the googlemap Street View:

                                http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1182+m...vEOk-seB9tHwNA

                                (Anyone know what that pipe sticking out of the ground on the right side of the front yard is? Anyone know what surveyors use for pins in SW FL? I saw white PVC where pins should be.)

                                I probably just over-analyze, and probably don't use a system approved by some here, but when a new foreclosure in Sarasota, Lee or Charlotte County is posted, I googlemap it. Then I zoom in until I can see if there is a canal there. Then I look at the Street View, and go up and down the street and the streets nearby.

                                An exception is a subdivision we found that has an association ramp and dock on a creek coming in from Lemon Bay, and about 400 houses can use it. Three of the five houses we missed buying are in that subdivsion.

                                That's how I selected the houses to look at in person. I had already seen all the houses and all houses around the houses before we got there. (How else would I pick from 1000 houses!!!???)

                                Also, there are canals and then there are canals, and you have to be familiar with them, whether they are saltwater or fresh water, have bay or Gulf access, and the bridge situation. The one on Martin, and another 30 or so, are on Rock Creek, I believe, which goes into Lemon Bay, and into the Gulf through Stump Pass. We would likely never leave the Bay.

                                Like I said, probably not a very good system. We probably should have just told a real estate agent to pick one out for us, and we could look at it after we bought it.

                                (sarcasm)
                                RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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