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Mega Orlando resorts, are they going to split these up into different areas?

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  • Mega Orlando resorts, are they going to split these up into different areas?

    I posted a mildly negative comment on TUG after I saw a few people asking about purchases at Vistana. I wanted the poster to note that Vistana may be GC, but all of the areas of Vistana do not deserve GC because they are not as nice as many of the other resorts that get that rating. I compared the older parts of the resort to Orbit One and High Point, two respectable resorts that deserve their Hospitality ratings.

    I offended a new owner who bought her resort sight unseen--she has yet to stay there. She was very angry that I would insult her resort, but I was only expressing my opinion. She said I called her resort and everyone who owned their second class. That was not my intent. My entire argument is that each of the sections should probably be judged on their own merits, not on the whole. I believe that if the individual parts are not brought to GC rating, the entire resort could slip to Silver or below. I questioned whether II and RCI would be able to do that because of the politics and money involved in catering to a mega resort like that.

    Cypress Point stepped forward and upgraded all of their units to gain back their GC status. We stayed there just months before the upgrade began and I thought the resort was a 9+ before the updates. Vistana Fountains units were about a 6.5 when we stayed 2 1/2 years ago, yet they rate GC?

    When our niece and nephew stayed at Vistana last month, they were assigned to a unit in Fountains and were very disappointed that the kitchen was not functional and lacked many cooking utensils that are standard in most resorts. They also noted the old, dirty furniture, stained carpet and older-styled kitchen cabinets that have seen better days. Jen was excited when she made her exchange and emailed a link to Starwood's site so I could see the resort. I warned her that the unit she is assigned may not look like the pictures. She asked for Lakes or Cascades at check in, but she got Fountains. The website is misleading.

    My question: How are they keeping that GC rating?

    Fountains at Vistana is older, has outdated everything, including the furniture that has to be at least ten years old by now, because we stayed in 1999 and had the same furniture, and it was not new even then. In 2004, it was the same old tannish/gold sofas. Now in 2006, same old stuff again.

    A link was provided by one of our favorite posters here to Vistana's website. Of course, the pictures were only of Lakes and Cascades, not of the older parts of the resort. There is no mention of the older areas. If a picture is worth a thousand words, what is the absence of a picture worth? I think it says volumes about the resort as a whole.

    When we checked into Vistana, we were originally assigned to a unit that was nicer, had a large jacuzzi tub in the master and the king bed was set into the corner of the room, near a window. Our second unit had a tub in a hall bathroom that was not as large and luxurious as the first. The furniture was the tan colored stuff and the kitchen cabinets were not in great condition. I liked that unit better because the tub was nicer, but hubby couldn't sleep with the traffic noise, so we moved to a unit that was a little worse than the first, although the second unit had slightly better kitchen cabinets. The first unit was on the main level, so we imagined perhaps wheelchairs caused some of the damage to the first floor unit. I have no idea if the first area was Fountains II or if they were both Fountains.

    My point: I think Vistana owners would rise to the occasion if each area was judged on its own merit and rated independently. If Fountains owners (and all other parts of the resort) lost their GC ratings, they would have to take action. If the older areas were sitting away from Vistana, they would never get GC. RCI and II just let them keep their GC ratings as a mega resort, which is the same for OLCC. All of the above can be said about OLCC. You never see pictures of the bathrooms on their website that lack jacuzzi tubs, only the newest, nicest units. It is false advertising, in my opinion.

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    I have never stayed at nor do I own at Vistana but I think you make some good points in your post. People should not get upset ith anyones review, that's what the reviews are for. Unfortunately, the way many resorts opperate, if there are parts of the resort that are not up to par with other parts and you are an exchanger you will probably end up in that part and owners may never see the worse parts. I for one take this in to consideration when I read the reviews as an exchanger.
    As far as breaking up the resorts in the exchange companies, that is probably not going to happen except where there are multiple HOA's in place, then there are many times multiple resort numbers but these all usually show the same pics etc. The best we can do is to continue to review and rate resorts as we see them and if some folks don't like the way we rate a resort, life goes on.
    I appreciate an honest review and do take them in to consideration when looking at staying at a resort.
    thanks
    ken H.,Ballston Lake, NY
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      I've noticed the same arrogant protectionist defenses from Vistana owners that is often seen from OL fanatics. Big resorts with big fees and all of them (I'm including Westgate) have some units that are crappy. What you get is defensiveness, but none of these big resorts are controlled by owners- the developers are in charge and will stay in charge- so those defensive owners are really helping to perpetuate developer control and increasing fees.
      I doubt if they will be split up into sections for exchange purposes as the developers seem to want to control where the owners go- keeping them happy and paying those ever increasing fees.

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      • #4
        I agree that there should probably be a separate rating for each subsection of a mega resort. And, an exchanger should know ahead of time which section they are exchanging into. That would make sense. But, for reasons already mentioned, it probably will never happen. It's possible to do since many resorts have different resort codes for each subsection of the resort.

        I've stayed at both Fountains and Lakes sections of the Sheraton Vistana resort. I liked them both for different reasons. Actually, I thought the Lakes unit would be a lot better than it actually was. And, I thought the Fountains unit would be a lot worse given the reviews I read. I agree that the furniture was a bit old and the kitchen needed updating. But, I liked the size of the Fountains unit better. So, on balance I thought they were both good.

        But, this comes from a person who thought that Star Island, Silver lake and OLCC golf villas are all great resorts as well. My Star Island 3 bedroom unit needed about a generation update in furnishings. I felt like I was in a 1960
        s unit given the decor. But, I did like the resort and the resort grounds.

        This week, I am in a Marriott Grande Vista unit that is obviously one of the one's requiring reburbishment as others have written about. I have been to this resort many times and I have been lucky to get the newer units for those trips. This one needs new carpet and sofa cushions and is a bit dated. It is definitely lower quality than the units I have stayed in before. The difference in the quality of this room vs. the others I've stayed in is far greater than the difference between the Sheraton Vistana Fountains vs. Lakes units.

        But, as I mentione, I am not hard to please. I like this unit and I'd stay here again. I would rather stay in a newer unit, but since I got it on flexchange, it doesn't bother me. I just like being here.

        I was just in an OLCC Golf Villa a little over a week ago. I can tell you without question that that Golf Villas was a lot nicer than this Marriott Grand Vista unit. I should have brought my camera. I could prove it.

        Also, I can understand why resorts give owners preferential treatment in reserving specific rooms. They should, they own there. If you look at the price sheet for OLCC 2 bedroom units, you will see that golf villas go for about $10000 and River Island units go for over $20000. So, owners are contributing more and should get better access to better units.

        Maybe this is another new revenue opportunity for a smart exchange company. Perhaps they can charge a premium for a premium unit at a resort. I know I would pay a higher exchange fee to guarantee an oceanfront unit.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BocaBum
          Maybe this is another new revenue opportunity for a smart exchange company. Perhaps they can charge a premium for a premium unit at a resort. I know I would pay a higher exchange fee to guarantee an oceanfront unit.
          A smart exchange company might do this, but some exchange companies do not care about this at all. My resort in SoCal, has 1 bd ocean front and 2 bd hill view. II values a hill view 2 bd more than the ocean front 1 bd. I sure don't

          SFX has said that they would assign a great trading power to the ocean front 1 bd than the hill view 2 bd. At least someone is using their head!
          Bill

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