Frank Talk About Orange Lake

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Welcome to the club. Hopefully you will find a more free atmosphere for discussions here. We do have some limits here though.

the olbigatory email preceded this


You have been banned for the following reason:
Violation of the BBS "Be Courteous" rule - after having been warned

Date the ban will be lifted: August 16, 2006, 09:00 AM

looks like it is one way streets "over there"....smilawgs

at least they have not found post #63 in the Go Global which contains my response to LOL's disparaging remarks in another thread which have been censored

i will not misbehave here i promise....

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

exactly what i have noticed

tony g

this is exactly what i have noticed about this "forum" and feel very much at home

thanks for providing an open forum for exchange of ideas, facts and sharing


once again i promise to behave

smilawgs

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Recidivists UNITE!

Ok I got a warning to remain civilized


Let's Get Back on Track

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Let's try to keep this topic from wandering any further into the realm of personal attacks. For some reason, Orange Lake Country Club creates some of the most contentious debates on the whole BBS. It's been like this for years. Regardless of your feelings about the place, let's keep the conversation civil.

Steve
Florida Moderator

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and here I thought I was walking VERY softly considering how RILED I was about being called a liar. I may do many things but lying is not one of them.

I also got a kinda/sorta apology from my accuser after he posted the pictures of the units. The sink is NOT in the, bath "ROOM" not even after they stripped the place down and refurbished it. You still must gargle in your bedroom.

How hard or expensive could it be to remove the one doorway and extend one non-supporting wall to enclose the sink??? It just have a "cheesy" feel to the set-up. It reminds me of inexpensive hotels with that set-up, NOT a luxury resort.

The newly renovated golf villas are however a VAST cosmetic and amenity step up from where we were put. It would be interesting to find out how many have been done.

Seems to me that if Spence can give me unit numbers at Powhattan ( which is also a very large, but not nearly as large resort maybe similar in size to WV ) then SOMEONE at OLCC can give me a list of West Village units.

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

lawren

you just know that that information you are requesting should not be shared in a public forum, people might then take advanatage of a mega resort's unit assignment policy ( tongue in cheek ),


the bathroom you described was the one we have in our 2115 unit which is located on the cul de sac at the front ....first road left past the guard shack...think it was built in 1986

it just might be one of the first units to get this new overhaul.....smilots

at least gary took the time to post the pictures that were promised promptly....

on another note...

i see dave has deleted a post OVER YONDER where i rebutted LOL's implication i was a "liar" for non compliance

this is just the last part of the whole post, the initial part was actually telling LOL how excited i was to finally have an avenue at OLCC to get answers since we all have a "personal rep" now.....alas no one there knew what i was talking about.....when i called ....and i tried several calls ...speaking to different people each time


start

with respect to your other comment

yes this is a board for sharing information, facts, experiences, opinions

Because this board is not for throwing insults bantering and baiting or hand grenade throwing

but you have basically called me a liar

I don't post mis-information. You have posted much.

if only one knew what was wrongly posted so one could retract such and apologize to the bbs for making such comments......

mi tayake oyasin

end


and life goes on

smilawgs

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

lawren

you just know that that information you are requesting should not be shared in a public forum, people might then take advanatage of a mega resort's unit assignment policy ( tongue in cheek ),


the bathroom you described was the one we have in our 2115 unit which is located on the cul de sac at the front ....first road left past the guard shack...think it was built in 1986

it just might be one of the first units to get this new overhaul.....smilots

at least gary took the time to post the pictures that were promised promptly....

on another note...

i see dave has deleted a post OVER YONDER where i rebutted LOL's implication i was a "liar" for non compliance

this is just the last part of the whole post, the initial part was actually telling LOL how excited i was to finally have an avenue at OLCC to get answers since we all have a "personal rep" now.....alas no one there knew what i was talking about.....when i called ....and i tried several calls ...speaking to different people each time


start

with respect to your other comment

yes this is a board for sharing information, facts, experiences, opinions

Because this board is not for throwing insults bantering and baiting or hand grenade throwing

but you have basically called me a liar

I don't post mis-information. You have posted much.

if only one knew what was wrongly posted so one could retract such and apologize to the bbs for making such comments......

mi tayake oyasin

end


and life goes on

smilawgs

Dear Lawgs I believe you Lie about as often as I do. It certainly is nice to know that I wasn't revisiting the 60 and 70s and envisioning the sink in my bedroom too.

I try to pick my fights wisely and infrequently if possible. I actually PM'd the OP to avoid a conflict earlier in the thread but the accusation I couldn't let pass....NOPE sorry no-can-do.

The problem you face OY is that you are running up against "The Vickie". I'm not sure who she is paying or knows ( and doesn't that bring up the old "it ain't who you know it's whou you bl--" phrase from my not horribly distant corporate past). Please notice that her contribution to the thread in question has been a one-liner about the Tennis Villas possibility, yet she doesn't tell the OP that they are only Saturday check-ins... The reason is she can't possibly refute anything that has been posted.

Now who says that info should be shared on a public forum? An e-mail works. A PM works. OY and OH are not so large that we would upset anyone's apple cart with a list of relatively recently renovated units. If Sunterra can do it then I don't see why OLCC can't manage it for one of three villages. JMHO

We do have some rules here mostly a respect issue and no undue persuing or harrassing on the boards or via PM and e-mail but we will let sleeping dogs lie as long as we can. I'm sure you will be comfortable.

Now how can I express why I even got involved on that particular thread? The OP is looking for July 4th week and is bound to get the dregs in unit assignment. I prefer to prevent a disappointing exchange if I possibly can.

BTW all the initials and things that you end your posts with go right over my head.

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

lawren

i think something like that would be very useful too, we have used something similar when we were able to get the HOUSES at Summer Bay....and there was a nice list posted on TUG by Vodo at the time along with suggestions how to get the pool/hottub locations

smilawgs...

the initial things~~~~~~~~ were paying homage to not paying homage to a LOL

sounds like double speak does it not....

mi tayake oyasin

is a lakota expression/greeting ....that means..

all my relatives or we are all related

hope this helps you make some sense of those petrogylphs

[JudyS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JudyS]

just one review ......but it does happen ......not like the people who posted were making things up just to interrupt their trip....of course when people see these reviews they must wonder if it it the same resort ....

We dropped our bags and went to play, came back to the room around 11:30 at night. As I was unpacking, my eye's started to tear & my stomach went in knots. ....

Smilawgs, when I was reading this, I assumed that this was your experience -- and it sounded pretty bad! However, on another thread, I thought you said that your personal experiences at OLCC had been pretty good. So, now I'm confused. Was this a review that you posted an example of the problems that others have had with OLCC, rather than your own experience?

I haven't had a suspension "over there", at least not yet, but I have found my posts to be edited a number of times, without even an email telling me it had happended. Pretty heavy-handed, if you ask me.

Sharon, I'm sorry that OLCC was so unhelpful when your daughter was sick!

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

judy s

that was just a tripadvisor review.....sorry i did not make it more "explicit"

thought the statement

not like the people who posted were making things up just to interrupt their trip..

would make that clear ....

my apologies for confusing you

lawgs


as to over yonder, my present mistake was to point out that someone was chastising me for not reading the orange lake quarterly publication ( of course they will throw in the build up to that moment )

it was when i got the suspension email, i found out they had sent another email earlier in the month ....saying my comments to a LOL come across as snide and accusatory with a conditional statement sayin maybe i do not intend them to be that way, but ( my emphasis ) the added comment that they were considered to be "hounding and badgering" on "OVER YONDER"

the email yesterday ....specifically mentioned #70 and #71 ( which he edited ) but they did mention from my recent posts on the current OLCC thread (Orange Lake Units for Exchangers II ) which was i seemed to have ignored the "admonition" .....it would seem there must have been carry over from my Go Global thread .....the LOL jumped in after my post #64 ( heck maybe she was "stalking" me ) .....smilawgs...so i must look at those posts by me after post #64to see if i was "hounding and badgering" the LOL

although they may have also sent an email to the LOL, in essence the suspension was due to me responding to her post #68 where she dressed me down for not reading the quartely publicationss


in post 70 Now

gary,

thank you for your clarification about check in, that explains the situation [much better for me].


the original post #70 was something like this in response to something in post #68

gary,

thank you for your clarification about check in, that explains the situation much better than the dressing down from the post above

Read your quarterly publications. This information was included.


they have a right to censor anything they wish over there, but my gut feeling is that the playing field is not level

in her post #71 on this thread ( Orange Lake for Exchangers II )

she as much as called me a liar about things i had been posting .....with the statement and i quote here....

I don't post mis-information. You have posted much.

to which i essentially replied in the thread on GO GLOBAL by saying.....

at the end

if only one knew what was wrongly posted so one could retract such and apologize to the bbs for making such comments

of course, after a few hours they finally caught that and deleted the whole post as being against posting rules

the word ....image image image comes to mind when i think of OVER YONDER oh, and this is just an opinion which is subject to being wrong, a lil bit of "favoritism"

if the LOL is a spokesperson for Orange Lake, let it clearly be stated, then statements are "absolute" when posted since they come from management and authority to disperse them has been "given"

if the LOL is not .....her posts then become subjective observations and experiences just like any other of my posts were from subjective observations and experience trying to track down the truth about a new program that Orange Lake is introducing

as such, the opinions/facts are relative and should be open to debate as to how "factual" they really are

if i am in the wrong, i will admit it, take my punishment and then refrain from commenting anymore....as of yet this has not occurred

til then

lawgs

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

An Idea With Merit?

I just posted this on another forum:

I said this in jest last night just before beddie-bye time, and then it grew on me while I was sleeping. At first I thought it might be one of our cats sleeping too close, but, No, it was this growing on me, because it's still growing on me this morning.

In case it comes off in the shower, let me proceed.

Sometimes things said in jest have merit in reality

Maybe OL should take a look at a resort down the road, where you can find Summer Bay Resort, Villas at Summer Bay Resort, and Houses at Summer Bay Resort, each a resort within a resort.

If OL would divide OL into distinctive resorts it would solve a lot of problems without really changing much.

First, it seems that a major complaint is discrimination against exchangers. It is felt that one exhanging in has no control over unit placement and that OL intentionally places non-owners in less desirable locations. What if the exchanger selected the location when they selected the resort within OL?

Secondly, it seems that OL desires more control over exchanging in. They could gain that by splitting into several resorts. They could set the criteria needed to exchange into each resort however they want, so that Slimey Slough owners don't get River Island, just as it takes more to get Houses at Summer than to get Summer Bay Resort.

Here's how OL could look if split up:

Orange Lake Resort (and Country Club): The Original, retaining 0670 ID. It would be comprised of the first units, the Fairway Villas and the West Village Clubhouse. If one wanted to totally revamped OL, those could be two resorts: say The Fairway Villas at OL and The Clubhouse at OL.

Southern Magnolia Court at OLR

The Tennis Villas at OLR

The North Village at OLR

The East Village at OLR

River Island at OLR

Think about it. Take it to bed with you. Let it grow on you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JLB
Perhaps OL is listening to you, as it appears they are dividing it into four, more intimate resorts.

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[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

No cart - No sale

Sorry Jim - That makes too much sense. How would they talk people into upgrading if they could get the best by simply trading into the always available inventory?

It's like the "personnal guides" being assigned. What a crock. It's a salesperson that couldn't care less about anything you say or complain about unless you are opening your checkbook at the time. And the interest dies when that check clears. At least now I know where King David got the irritating idea to trap you by taking you to your unit in a golf cart. Sounds like OLCC was there first.

Here's an idea. Once I own what I want I don't need to be pounded about upgrading, points systems or anything else. Let me enjoy my unit. If there is anything that is actually of interest it should be openly published with all the features and costs. if it's any good I'll get ahold of them - they don't need to contact me. When it's secret, pushed on you and never ending it tells me it's all for the developer not for the owners good.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Let it grow on you.

Yes, even as I was composing the post I could see that the idea is too simple, too open, and too honest.

Would it mean OL could not juggle the inventory of the entire resort, holding it back and assigning it each week, once they see who are owners and who are not?

I answered that by saying to me, "Self, OL would still be in control. They still could do whatever they want. If a River Island, East Village, North Village, or even Tennis Villa owner deposited with RCI, OL could substitute a West Village unit or any unit they want, so that the better resorts do not even appear to be available until late, until they have had a chance to assign their owners into those resorts via their internal exchange program."

Then outsiders could get a shot at the better resorts if their owners did not fill them. At least exchangers from the outside world could see what they were getting when they made their exchange decision.

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

Magnolia Ct. would probably get "hopitality rating"

I have suggested this as well, but I do understand what John says.

I don't understand why Vickie wasn't also BANNED from TUG. I thought her comments to lawgs were beyond rude. I turned her in for one of the last comments I will ever read of hers. I am no longer going to read anything that woman writes about her beloved Orange Lake. It makes me SICK because it is exaggerated and not at all my experience. Believe me when I tell you this, Orbit One was nicer, newer and much cleaner, not a single bug anywhere. Our unit at OLCC smelled of smoke but our complaints were not even considered. "This is all we have, so you will have to call RCI if you are unhappy." It was mid-January and the buildings across the way from our unit on So Magnolia were EMPTY. How is that for customer service?

For whatever reason, Vickie can go on and on about her resort, but we cannot express our differing opinions because she lambastes has for every negative thing. I asked the moderators when I complained about her, what if we all defended our resorts when someone has a problem. This could be a vindictive bunch of owners on the boards. I asked them to tell me why one person gets by with it. I don't believe in defending my resorts like that. I was honest when someone was unhappy at one of mine. My concerns with the resort went directly to the management company.

I think it is my fault that lawgs was banned from TUG because I said Vickie's posts were out of line and that she was attacking another owner. John can attest to this because he saw my report, I am sure.

I never meant for lawgs to get in trouble. Vickie is someone's favorite at TUG, that is for sure. I am done with her crap.

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

cindy

please do not feel bad about the ban....it was sorta gonna happen as ....LOL could not be allowed to just have the "bully pulpit" unchallenged, at least we are OL owners and not really the "outsiders" stirring the cauldron from "the grass hut in slimey slouth" , who were the challengers

....sometimes wonder if if JLB is being stalked ....."authorative" posts seem to appear shortly after JLB has presented us all with his latest rumination...and by the way, the idea presented is exactly what they should do.....they are for sure separate phases....Condo I Condo II Condo III and Condo IV...what better time to do it than when they are moving into new horizons with Global Access since they have basically used the term Family of Resorts in the literature

it will all work out in the end

they may have spoken to her since her last post in jims thread Orange Lake Units for Exchangers ... was sanitized


she first stated we probably should put each other on ignore

then she commented

Because this board is not for throwing insults bantering and baiting or hand grenade throwing

and included

I don't post mis-information. You have posted much

to which i replied on Go Global as i did not want to have jim's thread closed

with respect to your other comment

"yes this is a board for sharing information, facts, experiences, opinions

but you have basically called me a liar"


if only one knew what was wrongly posted so one could retract such and apologize to the bbs for making such comments......

and i stand on that last statement....if they show me the error of my ways....

it got to the point where it was felt " we could not ask clarification questions" of LOL, since that would then be considered "harassing and badgering" by the mods, but in retrospect it really does not matter since we would only get the Wu Li dance with nothing really answered and the tables turned

the one thing that was enjoyed .....when no comment could be made since no counter could be given to what was posted


one thing struck me as funny as i have read the thread ( which thread might have been the reason for the ban )......HOA/LOL says she will not discuss OL policy in an open forum and then three posts later she is "spouting" the praises of OL policies in an open forum....must be varying degrees of "policy" statements she has been authorized to release by Orange Lake ( tongue in cheek )....

thanks for your post shopgirl and once again do not feel badly, it will work out....

smilawgs

[JudyS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JudyS]

Smilawgs, thanks for the clarification! Not sure why I was confused in the first place. So, you own at OLCC -- is that correct? Are you mostly happy with the place? Sorry that you got banned over at "the other board" -- but hey, there's plenty of people to talk to here!

Jim, I suspect that OLCC doesn't want to divide into several resorts, for the reasons John says. Still, it might be possible for timeshare groups to talk about OLCC as several resorts -- reviews could be divided up, for example.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I really haven't ragged about another site, or people on it, for quite some time (you can check my posts), but since others are, here's my experience:

Others have told me the same thing by email, that they have complained about her, but nothing is done.

When I returned there recently, I told the admins that the first thing I was going to do was put her on my Ignore list. I asked for them to do what was done between someone and myself here, separate us permanently so that neither of us can be baited by the other into any more hatefulness. They refused.

The Ignore List is a joke. When you put someone on it, when they post it is like a big flashing neon sign telling you that they have posted. When you see that directly after one of your own posts (stalking and picking), what is your natural temptation, the temptation any human would have . . . you wanna see what they had to say. So, you can then click on them and then click on their posts, and there it is.

What kind of deal is that?

The idea is that you want to never see what the person has to say again, not to get a message showing you every time they post!!!!

The way it is Over Here, I cannot see what the person says or open a thread they start, unless I intentionally bypass the system, which I don't care to do. (And the same with the other person).

If things continue unabated OY, I may put several on my Ignore list, and if I then wind up repeating stuff that has already been said, oh well. But I don't intend to get myself involved in a brouhaha on an uneven playing field. I remember that from high school, the fights in the parking lot at the opponent's site, and we never won any of those. Although in this case I suspect I could, if they were real fights in real parking lots.

In any event, if several of us put her on our Ignore list, and we wind up repeating stuff she says or saying stuff that makes it obvious we don't know what she said--if we can fight the temptation to look, then it may have an affect. And it may be easier on all of us.

There is no good reason why we can't discuss a resort just because we don't own there, or, in Lawgs case, whatever the reason.

Vickie is someone's favorite at TUG, that is for sure. I am done with her crap.