Same Old Same Old OL

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

The same old complaints keep resurfacing from new people obviously not around for previous discussions.

The same old defenders keep defending.

It's like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

And like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day, would you not think the defenders would tire of defending against the same complaints, or at least see that there might be something to them?

As I am not allowed to post on OL topics, for those who may stumble here, although the lazy rivers we have been to at timeshare resorts are probably a mere pittance compared to River Island, there was no tube charge.

I think it would be less offensive to those who take offense if OL charge all guests a reasonable amenities charge at check-in. It could be part of the Urgent Information when booking an exchange. Of course, so that they could flaunt it, owners would not have to pay it.

Oh yeah, that's right, there won't be any exchanges into OL when the new management team gets done. Any weeks not taken by owners will be rented!

[Carol C Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Carol C]

And your point is...???

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I guess that I felt I needed to say it somewhere.

[Keitht Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Keitht]

What is the point of constantly raking over old ground? I can understand new members who haven't seen previous posts making comments, but this just seems like stirring for the sake of stirring.

[JoAnn Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JoAnn]

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

They should reduce the prices of the tube rentals. I think they are way too high! How many tubes could they buy for what they are charging! Eventually the tubes should have paid for themselves, like after the first month, and it could be an amenity given at least to owners.

Our son is going to OLCC (October 21, 22) for a stay in a three bedroom, if I can find one. They will have at least five and maybe seven men, maybe one or two girlfriends/wives. I am going to grab a last minute exchange with a week for them. I told Josh the cost of the tubes and he thinks they will just share tubes and some will go for a few hours at a time, others will go for only 30 minutes or so. He doesn't seem worried about the cost. I think it is a horrible waste of money. I am trying to talk him into Cypress Pointe.

I think the OLCC defenders are doing an injustice to the resort. All of the bragging about the place just gets visitors' hopes up, only to be let down by its ordinariness. This creates the problem. It is no HGVC in quality and some people choose that resort over the HGVC's because they think it will be the best in the area. The amenities are spectacular, do not misunderstand what I am saying, but the units are average or below average.

JLB is just the messenger, as am I. I have read many others' reviews of OLCC and have noticed many others (posting within OLCC threads) that are disappointed in the resort.

Again I will ask what fun the TUG and TS4M's would be if ALL of us went on and on about our own resorts and defended them against all criticisms. Can you imagine that scenario? I can and would get sick of it, as all of you would, and there would be no timeshare information boards.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

I don't see a problem here and suspect a veiled defense for someplace else. The simple solution: If you don't like it, don't read it.

What is the point of constantly raking over old ground? I can understand new members who haven't seen previous posts making comments, but this just seems like stirring for the sake of stirring.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

This kind of reminds me of all the points vs. weeks debates we used to have. We don't have those anymore. Why is that? Maybe we just understand each other's point of view and simply accept it now and there is no reason to debate it anymore. Or, maybe it's just that nobody started a thread on the topic recently.

Also, I haven't seen too many RiiStroman threads. Nor have we seen too many Mayan Palace threads. Could it be that these companies have reformed themselves?

[gjw007 Member Find all posts View Profile Close gjw007]

Cindy;

Have you checked RCI lately. This morning OLCC was listed as a RCI Points resort but no points totals were available.

I'll find out about HGVC quality when I arrive Friday but when I took a timeshare presentation a year and a half ago at HGVC Tuscany, they didn't even show me a room just a canned slick presentation. That speaks volumes. Of course, they gave $100 coupons that I could only spend at the mall next door. Good thing there was a Disney character store and at that time, a Universal store in the mall as the other stores held no attraction for me and I needed to purchase some Disney-related gifts.

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

This kind of reminds me of all the points vs. weeks debates we used to have. We don't have those anymore. Why is that? Maybe we just understand each other's point of view and simply accept it now and there is no reason to debate it anymore. Or, maybe it's just that nobody started a thread on the topic recently.

Also, I haven't seen too many RiiStroman threads. Nor have we seen too many Mayan Palace threads. Could it be that these companies have reformed themselves?

I miss the Point vs. Weeks debates, but hey, you have softened your position on that one. Carolinian really wore you down! I bought points about the same time as others stopped thinking points were the best thing since sliced bread. I am always behind things. So far, they are working for me and I hope to take advantage of the system for at least a few more years before it becomes defunct. Hopefully, those Aussie weeks will exchange okay.

Gary, if you are going to compare HGVC unit quality to OLCC's objectively, I think you will like HGVC. However, I know that OLCC owners are very impressed by the amenities at their home resorts and I doubt you will think much of Hilton. Unit quality is very important to me in Orlando. We go to the parks every day and skip the resort amenities. It is that whirlpool tub after walking about 15 miles around Disney that you look forward to, something to relieve the tension in the muscles and a nice TV to watch the news.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I understand how too much of something irritates a few, but oh well!

As long as it continues, what's wrong with pointing out that it continues?

I get tired of hearing about all the crap in Iraq, but every day there is more crap and it gets reported.

Of course, if the crap ended, there would be no pointing it out, would there?

Or, stirring, as it is called.

Who stirred first, the offender or the reporter?

I suspect that the viewpoint is different for those who have the ability to post their thoughts freely wherever they want.

Or, maybe it's me? Nahhhhh!
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FWIW, the only thing I can see in common with this topic and Mr. Bum's list is that it was also difficult to have a free and open discussion about some of those topics also, that the deck always seemed to be stacked against one side of those discussions.

I could go into Stroman, but someone might have already heard about that and Keith might get upset again. (If I could add a smilie there would be one here, the winking one)

[gjw007 Member Find all posts View Profile Close gjw007]

Cindy;

I have no doubts that I will like HGVC but I've stayed mostly at the newer units at OLCC although I have stayed several times in the older units as well. Each area and resort has its advantages and disadvantages. I've stated before that no resort is perfect and all could use some improvements. My last two weeks at OLCC were in the River Island units so this is what I will compare HGVC to. For the most part, I've never complained about any resort that I've been at and even my experience at Vacation Village at Parkway I didn't comment on until I told how much superior it was. That was not my experience as it missed my basic expectations but I'm not going to reharsh this. Even then, it doesn't mean I wouldn't stay there again but there are other resorts that I would like to go to first that I haven't stayed at. Like everything, it needs to fit your needs; if it doesn't meet your needs than it will be an unpleasant experience.

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

The numbers tell the truth!

I answered a new question about OLCC that I found thought provoking. So I did the numbers (and was almost challenged to do it by Dave M and Vickie). These numbers are from resort reviews from TUG:

Since so many TUGgers (and Forums members too) are analytical by nature, I thought I would run the numbers. I am not great at math, my degree is in English, but these are some numbers I can do:

I used only the reviews that had 1-10 ratings:

14 exchangers wrote reviews. One exchanger rated the resort a 3 and another a 10. The total of all ratings is 103 / 14 = 7.35 (These reviews go back to April of last year. I decided not to check old ratings)

9 owners rated the resort at an average of 9.50. The total of those was 85.5/9 = 9.50 (These ratings go back to January. I was not going to go back that far, but the oldest two were the average, anyway)

TUG's rating system states the following:

10 World class resort with everything included. Should be the best resort you have ever seen! Most are self-contained vacation destinations. Everything is in perfect order. There should be very few ratings of "10" given.

9 A great resort with everything except a major extra (e.g., golf or skiing being off-site). Beautiful units with fabulous decor. This should be among the 2nd to 4th best resorts you have seen.

8 A good resort with a great location. Still has top quality units and furnishing with on site recreation and activity director. An excellent exchange.

7 Above average resort but missing some extras and charges for the extras they do provide (e.g., tennis, bikes). Units might be a little smaller, not quite as plush but still very nice.
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[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

TUG's rating system states the following:

10 World class resort with everything included. Should be the best resort you have ever seen! Most are self-contained vacation destinations. Everything is in perfect order. There should be very few ratings of "10" given.

9 A great resort with everything except a major extra (e.g., golf or skiing being off-site). Beautiful units with fabulous decor. This should be among the 2nd to 4th best resorts you have seen.

8 A good resort with a great location. Still has top quality units and furnishing with on site recreation and activity director. An excellent exchange.

7 Above average resort but missing some extras and charges for the extras they do provide (e.g., tennis, bikes). Units might be a little smaller, not quite as plush but still very nice.
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Almost all reviewers are too generous with their numeric ratings. Another reason why I think numeric ratings are garbage.

If a person is inclined to use the numeric ratings, you should reduce each average rating by about 1 point - i.e., a resort with an average rating of 9.0 would most likely be 8.0 if the TUG guidelines were adhered to strictly.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Vickie has to be more than an owner...like maybe Management?

Almost all reviewers are too generous with their numeric ratings. Another reason why I think numeric ratings are garbage.

If a person is inclined to use the numeric ratings, you should reduce each average rating by about 1 point - i.e., a resort with an average rating of 9.0 would most likely be 8.0 if the TUG guidelines were adhered to strictly.

This is what Vickie stated this on TUG.

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthr...618#post215618

"A 10 I tell ya.....a super sized 10!!!!!!!"
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Vickie


I've been to OL once. I stayed at the Tennis Condo area of the Resort. While we had a nice Condo, the unit was not a 10. The location is Ok. But not a 10. I think that OL is too Big and too far from the Ocean to be considered a 10. I also think it would be have to be part of WDW to be a 10. But, maybe that's just me.

Vickie statements about OL are just not believable.

Walt

PS I could not even rate OL as a 10 with too many of these.