OH, OH! More OL Insults OY!

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

For one so afraid of cute and fuzzy little tarantulas, this lady can really spew venom!

If I wasn't so used to it, it would bother me!

Plus, I consider the source, one who has done her own credibility a lot of damage.

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthr...d=1#post249211

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Now you are learning. That's the right way to deal with it. Post something polite over there and express your real feelings here. That seems to work out well. It's better than getting put on time out.

By the way, I would rather see the results of a non-owner surveying the 800 units than a biased owner who wants everyone to believe that the resort is Shangri-la.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Amen for Over Here, where we have an opportunity to talk without fear of getting our knuckles busted with a ruler.

FWIW, she operates exactly in the same manner as SWSRN--stalking, picking, baiting, inviting a brawl. Why the head TUG Cop denies that is beyond belief to everyone who has followed her insults.

Since I have ventured forth into the OL topic once again, and allowed myself to be attacked, I am half-way assuming my permanent ban notice is being composed at this time.

To be frank, to be told to stay away from the OL topic is rude and ridiculous. Even if I did not have the 20 year history I have with the resort, even I knew nothing about it, I would still have to right to have an opinion.

I am, however, trying to stay away from opinning, and continuously defending myself for things I have not done.

In this particular case I was first on the scene and trying to help someone. You will see that I did not answer the parts of the OP's questions that I felt I could not help with.

I also feel that the recent Shangrila-istic dribble about the Golf Villas, about them being rehabbed and being in great condition, is probably a bit misleading.

A person has to earn respect. When it comes to OL, I would much prefer to listen to the couple I met a week ago, the ones who are going to be at OL for 14 weeks, 9 consecutive in the same unit. They don't have to beat their drum for me to know they have some pull.

I'm sure there'll be no timeout for the chosen one!

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

no time out...just the ...

no time out .......just the obtuse reference by the Head honcho who wears blinders or rose coloured glasses....crack everyone who posted on the knuckles instead of "routing" out the real cause

"some look in the mirror and cannot see a reflection"

oh oh....maybe this thread will be closed now.....

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

oh oh....maybe this thread will be closed now.....

Wrong message board.

[Sydney Contributor - Bronze Find all posts View Profile Close Sydney]

It's a shame that an exchanger can't even seek more info on OLCC without her going on the offensive by insulting others, thus eliciting agasped responses from still more others and getting the thread closed. Pretty sad effort.

[Steve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Steve]

It's a shame that an exchanger can't even seek more info on OLCC without her going on the offensive by insulting others, thus eliciting agasped responses from still more others and getting the thread closed. Pretty sad effort.

Yes, it is a shame. And it's also a shame that some feel the need to come here and bash TUG and the moderators and administrators who are trying to keep the peace every time there is a flare up about Orange Lake. (And I'm not referring to you, Sydney.)



Steve

[Steve Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Steve]

"some look in the mirror and cannot see a reflection"

Same for you, Lawgs.

Steve

[Keitht Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Keitht]

This is the first time I have looked at one of the contentious OL threads and I can certainly see why people may feel that 'timetraveler' and OL are being protected by the mods on that board. It looks like timetraveler was given free rein to take a pop at somebody, clearly implying that the poster couldn't understand what they were reading. That went unchallenged, but as soon as others reacted and commented on timetravelers posts the thread was locked.
I have seen some one eyed views of resorts and situations posted in the past but timetraveler is right up there with the worst of them.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Well, they certainly couldn't do it over there.

Yes, it is a shame. And it's also a shame that some feel the need to come here and bash TUG and the moderators and administrators who are trying to keep the peace every time there is a flare up about Orange Lake. (And I'm not referring to you, Sydney.)



Steve

[Linda VH Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Linda VH]

I'm a member of both the bbs. I have read these OL threads but have stayed out of it - especially over there. I DO NOT think we're bashing the moderators when we say that one person is allowed to be rude and obnoxious in her posts (she seems to work for OL) and when it is pointed out the thread is closed. Why isn't she on time out??? One of the reasons I have stayed out of it is the same reason I stopped posting over here when a certain person was in the thread. You just get bashed as this woman does to anyone who does not agree that OL is wonderful. I sent my dd and my g-kids there on an exchange. They didn't like it - my friend went and stayed there and didn't like it. There were a number of reasons, especially maintenance and the unit my friend was exchanged into but I have, heretofor, not posted because of this "slammer". Linda

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

I know my comment bordered on rude OY. What I wanted to point out and was unable to get across to this person is that her constant defending of the resort is not just that anymore. It is more about insulting anyone who does not think the way she does about her illustrious OLCC. She does nothing to help OLCC by insulting everyone who has a bad experience. This person is very argumentative.

To Steve's defense, I did not get a nasty email from any TUG moderator this time. I usually do get something about my tirades. I think he knows that I am not really the problem.

The entire situation has gotten completely out of control, which would be difficult to moderate. But squelching all threads as they relate to OLCC is not a good idea, either. That would be wrong.

It is a mystery to me as to why a person would care enough about a resort to defend it to the death. I don't feel that way about any of my resorts, even when I am on the board of one of them. Don't get me wrong, I love all my resorts, but if someone has a problem with their stay, I feel badly for them. With two of my resorts, I know the management companies and specific people very well and would call to find out why an exchanger was treated poorly. I would not have the power to do anything at our larger resorts, nor would they care to hear my complaining, but that is why I cannot defend those resorts against any criticism. My large resorts pale in size when compared to OLCC.

The difference is that I do not feel the need to attack and accuse the exchanger of lying. That is how I treated with my very first post on TUG, which happened to be about our stay at Orange Lake. I copied and pasted it directly from my journal entry that was written on my laptop, while in the unit. She called me a liar, said the tub was big enough for a small hippo (no it was a regular tub), said the tile was off white and not turquoise (I'm not colorblind) and told me there were hair dryers in every bathroom (neither bathroom had one). There were other things, but those are the ones I remember. No one stopped her or moderated the rude comments or closed the thread. I guess it is okay to defend your resort against all criticisms. What a sad place TUG would be if everyone felt compelled to defend their resorts like that.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Yes, it is a shame. And it's also a shame that some feel the need to come here and bash TUG and the moderators and administrators who are trying to keep the peace every time there is a flare up about Orange Lake. (And I'm not referring to you, Sydney.)



Steve

Steve if the moderation of OL threads was not so blatantly lop-sided in favor of the rude and obnoxiou timetraveler OY there would be less said about it OH.

JMHO

[3kids4me Super Moderator and Super Mom Find all posts View Profile Close 3kids4me]

I was a moderator on TUG for a long time, in the Lounge which used to be a very contentious place.

I don't read many Orange Lake threads but I was also very surprised at Vickie's pop at Jim. As a moderator, at that point I would have made a comment about remaining respectful. Giving Steve the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he didn't see the comment until the rest of us had already posted.

Steve, after reviewing a few other threads, I really do see a pattern involving that poster. Cindy's comment about the rabid defense of the resort is really only a part of it. The other part is the tone she takes in general when she posts; it's extremely preachy, and it's one that heavily implies that she is a resort employee, and privy to special information. I could go and fish out examples for you but don't really want to spend the time. (In one post, in response to someone, she says something like "I assure you that your situation will be discussed there.") If she is not a resort employee, I honestly think she may have some kind of psychological problem where she wants to be in the position of appearing to be one. That's fine, until she starts using it to cause the kind of tension that apparently exists whenever people have questions about the resort.

At this point, it appears that all of the bickering tends to involve that poster. That says something right there.

Perhaps you should discuss this situation with Dave and maybe the two of you can come to some conclustion on how to handle things in the future. I do think it would be healthier for the Florida board if she were "spoken" to privately about it.

Sharon

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

To be fair, everyone can see who OY, once again, precipitated this hatred, putting us against each other, just as SWSRN did for so many years.

Sure, a few others came along and pointed her inappropriateness out to her, those people being frustrated that it continues unabated, when they knew that is a violation of the rules. They know they should have left that to the Moderator, but I suspect they have decided that if they wanted something done it was time to take the matter into their own hands.

You'll have to ask them why they rebuffed Miss Vickie, because I did not.

You can see it had no effect.

Also, here

http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...t=22663&page=2

I point out that I don't blame the admins and mods OY for their actions. And if anyone had a reason to, it would be me. I am very forgiving. At the same time, I have a fine memory.

Heck, except for Doug, the admin OY was just a mod until the brouhaha of the Summer of Ought 4. All he has to go on is what he perceives to be the way those before him did the job. And as a mod he was not privy to all the prior things that the previous admins were. Sure, he has an impression passed on to him, but that's it.

There has to be something in the water OY or in the system OY that keeps them from seeing who the problems really are, ala SWSRN. Regardless of who has been in charge, regardless of how many have left in frustration, the problem people just seem to be allowed to continue.

If one were to draw a sociogram of every contentious OL thread the past two years, there is only one person who would be in all of them. But it is the ones who have been in only some of them who have gotten the hateful punitive emails. It's like the posse rides out and strings up someone that looks like a bad guy to the nearest tree.

We talk about the problem here because we can. We talk about it because it exists. If it didn't we wouldn't talk about it. You are certainly welcome to join these discusions. You shouldn't take it personally. I believe it's healthy because sometime folks can't see something they are too close too when it is obvious to those viewing from a bit of distance.

For now, this site is open to discussions not allowed OY. I think we do a pretty good job of keeping them from getting out of control without a heavy hand to guide us. But then we are all adults, most of us have been around awhile, are accomplished in our lives, and don't need a hall monitor.

Granted, every now and then a crazy shows up! But this site seems to have the ability to know one when they see one.
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As to the point I was trying to make OY, I feel the recent rejoicing about the extraodinarily fine condition of the Golf Villas, some of which are now 25 years old, to the point of saying the Golf Villas are now the preferred location of choice, after all this hype about River Island, preceded by all the hype about the East Village, and all the hype about GlobalAccess and the fact that the West Village is the lowest rated, pointswise of the four villages, if that is the case, to be misleading and doing an injustice to a stranger asking questions about OL.

I simply pointed out that the Grand Rehab of the Golf Villas is just barely underway and it will be four years until it is completed.

And I don't accept that with my 20 year history with OL that I should not be entitled to post about it or have an opinion about it. That is insulting and childish. Do a JLB search and you can see that I post all around the board without problems with anyone, until I come to OL, and then I get attacked and insulted.

I also don't accept that those who have voiced their opinion about OL are to blame for apprehension about going there. It is the person stirring the pot , insulting others, who has caused all this hatred and those long OL threads, many of which I have not been involved in at all. I know many OL owners and don't feel I have this type of problem with any of them, except MissVickie.

Or, as Jenny would say, who gives a ----!
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Happy Thanksgiving and may the rest of the day be spent in the spirit of this day.