Grandview in Las Vegas

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Thanks. It won't be horrible if I can't get out of the contract...but it definitely won't make me happy! But I'm sure if I am stuck with it I'll be coming to you all for some help. You've all been great.

Thanks sooo much!
Raven

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If they let you out of the contract after the rescension period has past it will be the first time I'll have heard of a developer (and salesman) giving up a firm contract. The salesman will want his comission and the developer needs those sales to support future developement and offset the high cost of all those free or ultra cheap tours and free gifts they give away.

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We've gone and bought our 1st TS its MAcdonald Dalfaber resort in Aviemore Scotland.It cost £3000 from Macdonald resale(normal price £7500.Mf is £303 with 3 years II membership and a holiday in Spain.07 week is also banked.Its for week 42 which is the School mid term hols so should fit in nicely

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Ok...I need some more advice! I heard back from the "Vacation Village Resorts". They left me a message, so I have to get some more info, but...they said that I can cancel my contract, but I might not be able to get my $1,700 deposit back. Do you think it's still worth it to cancel and chalk it up to a life lesson learned, or should I keep the contract and pay the $13,000?

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They are lying to you! The salesman will do almost anything to get you to not cancel the contract. Stop listening to the salesman and read your contract -- if it does not say that you forfeit your deposit upon cancellation, they have no recourse but to give you a full refund. Period.

Kurt

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I think the reason they will keep my deposit is because I turned in the revocation form 8 (they're saying 7, so I'm going with their counting!) days after signing the contract. The form stated it had to be returned within 5 days of signing.

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He just responded with 2 Options...I think they sound sketchy (like how he never states how much the fees are)....any thoughts?

Option One: Gives you Deeded Property at The Grandview (in Las Vegas), Gold Crown, Red Time, all of the advantages and benefits discussed on your visit to our property. Plus, it gives you one advantage you would not have heard about at the resort level.... No Maintenance every year, in fact the Maintenance and Property taxes are only paid once every three years (one third), and you can travel multiple weeks each year. The cost of this program is only $4,990 and can be financed as low as 87/month (for 84mos).

Option Two: Allows you to travel multiple weeks each year with No Maintenance Fees or Property Taxes ever... Thousands of Vacation weeks at Popular and Exotic locations all over the world. 1, 2, 3, 4 bedroom luxury villas. The total cost of this option is only $2,995 as low as $43/mo (84mos).

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Grandview at Las Vegas

Hi Raven,

We're in the same situation. on 10/9/2007 Grandview sold us a 1-bedroom biennual (even year) unit for $9990 (week-35/float-unit/Sat-check in)) with one bonus week. Before we left LAS we decided that it is not right for us so we went back to Grandview to revoke it.

Before we knew it they convinced us to convert the previous sale to a RCI-point system (week-13/fix-unit/sun-checkin/49,000) for an extra $110 RCI-point joining fee. They said it is more flexible and we can use point for other stuff besides rooms.

Did Grandview get us two time? right now we feel really stupid!
Is the RCI-point better than the RCI-weeks??
Anyone know why they change our weeks/unit/check-in time?
Can we still use RCI weeks resort or we are locked in to just RCIpoints resort?
Is there anything I need to do besides wait for the RCI membership ID?

We're new to timeshares and I'm so disappointed that we didn't find this site before going to this timeshare presentation.

Thanks for any suggestions
DKL

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Hi Raven,

We're in the same situation. on 10/9/2007 Grandview sold us a 1-bedroom biennual (even year) unit for $9990 (week-35/float-unit/Sat-check in)) with one bonus week. Before we left LAS we decided that it is not right for us so we went back to Grandview to revoke it.

Before we knew it they convinced us to convert the previous sale to a RCI-point system (week-13/fix-unit/sun-checkin/49,000) for an extra $110 RCI-point joining fee. They said it is more flexible and we can use point for other stuff besides rooms.

Did Grandview get us two time? right now we feel really stupid!
Is the RCI-point better than the RCI-weeks??
Anyone know why they change our weeks/unit/check-in time?
Can we still use RCI weeks resort or we are locked in to just RCIpoints resort?
Is there anything I need to do besides wait for the RCI membership ID?

We're new to timeshares and I'm so disappointed that we didn't find this site before going to this timeshare presentation.

Thanks for any suggestions
DKL

Yea, they got you twice. You're way past the point you can cancel so it's best to learn how to use what you now own.

Points are more flexable than weeks so you'll probably do better. Since your past the point where you can cancel then start reading the threads here and learn how to get the most out of your timeshare. Most of us got into timesharing through developer pricing. Many at a much higher price than you've paid.

Even though it might have been an expensive first lesson in timesharing hopefully you'll find out what a wonderful way timeshares can be to vacation. Many of us are hopelessly hooked and have multiple weeks. Personally we have 7 weeks. Others here have several more than that. It's a good group to learn from.

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Thanks dougp,

Wow, 7 weeks of timeshare. you must take a lot of vacations and pay a lot of MF. I would feel better if I can actually use the RCI points and bonus week once I get my membership ID. But some of the posting on here noted that RCI is not very customer friendly and it was hard to get the reservations.

Also someone also said that resorts were charged cleaning fees for using points which Grandview didn't tell us about (They said all we need to pay is just the exchange fee).

Oh well, at least Grandview didn't get us on that 17%+ financing they were offering...

DKL

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Thanks dougp,

Wow, 7 weeks of timeshare. you must take a lot of vacations and pay a lot of MF. I would feel better if I can actually use the RCI points and bonus week once I get my membership ID. But some of the posting on here noted that RCI is not very customer friendly and it was hard to get the reservations.

Also someone also said that resorts were charged cleaning fees for using points which Grandview didn't tell us about (They said all we need to pay is just the exchange fee).

Oh well, at least Grandview didn't get us on that 17%+ financing they were offering...

DKL

Personally I prefer I.I. to RCI. There are others who prefer RCI to I.I. So don't believe everything you read. The best thing to do is learn the system and work it to your best advantage.

Many who complain about RCI knew RCI under the old weeks system. When they started their points program there were many changes and weeks owners seem to have been screwed in favor of the new points system. So you may very well be better off with points as far as getting your usage out of them.

I think the cleaning fee's are limited to short stays of less than a week. When you stay less than a week the unit very well could end up getting cleaned more than what would normally be scheduled for that resort. In that case the resort incures more expenses with the additional cleaning. Someone is going to have to pay for that. Either owners out of their MF's or exchangers with an added cleaning fee. As an owner at Grandview, would you rather have higher MF's or would you rather be on a "pay as you go" for a service you may or may not use intermitantly? I think I'd rather have the people that use those short stays pay for the increased cost of additional house keeping than have it added into my MF's. Many resorts that offer a split week option (one stay Fri-Sun and a second stay Mon-Thur) charge their owners an extra fee if they choose to do that. Again it goes back to the added expense for the additional house keeping.

As for the timeshare salesman not telling you additional fee's, many honestly probably don't know. I've run into a number of timeshare salesmen that are pretty much clueless about how to actually use timeshare. Which leads me to believe that many either don't own any weeks themselves or, like most people, don't acually take the time to learn how to use them most effectively. Then again some just flat out lie. After a few presentations you start to learn who is who.

There's a few lies you'll hear on a consistant basis. We're the number 1 travel destination. Disney is buying land and will be building a new amuesment park here. We are one of RCI or I.I.'s TOP traders and/or most demanded resort in the area, city, or on the planet. MF's never go up because the owners have to vote on it. Once the developement is complete the owners take over it's management. I'm sure others will add in or correct me if they feel I'm wrong. BTW there is a web page about a project called Vegas Wet. The developers had ties to Disney at one time but I don't believe they actually work for Disney now. As far as I know this is a stalled/dead project.

It could be worth you while to take a few more TS tours even though they can be painful to get through (2 1/2 hours of you life you'll never get back). They're handy to learn first hand a little bit about other systems. Even though TS salemen have been known to stretch the truth there is always some knowledge to gain by listening to them. Another advantage of taking tours is to check out resorts you think you might like to exchange into sometime in the future. Plus, there's always the gifts. Usually the gifts are worth in the neigborhood of $100, sometimes a little more. We quit going to presentations at resorts we don't own at a couple of years ago. I'm satisfied that I've heard enough and can pick up new things here, I value my time more than what the gifts are worth and I feel I've become pretty knowledgable about looking up resorts and determining if they'll fit our needs for vacation.

One other thing, be aware that owners updates aren't really updates. They just want to hit you up to spend more money. Usually they're not the full blown sales presentation. If we are staying at a resort that is still being developed we'll still take this "update" tour to find out what's going on at the resort. Marriott does a better job than most by having a little owners get together to get this information out. I like that as it's informal, no asking us to buy an additional week and it doesn't waste a salesman's or my time. Many resorts try to do something like this with varying degree's of success. Others prefer to run you through the sales floor so they have another shot at you.

And yea, we take a lot of vacations. We try to head out every other month. I've been at the hospital long enough that I build up 290 hours of paid time off each year. Since I've been fortunate enough to have good health I sometime have trouble actually spending everything I earn. It's one of those if you don't use it you lose it. They allow us to sell it back but that's at 50 cents on the dollar. So we take vacation every other month and will occasionsally use one or two of our weeks for long weekend getaways to drive to locations (for us, mostly Branson, MO). Many of our units are 2 or 3 bedroom LO's. Since right now there's only the two of us we'll lock out the unit and use the smaller side to exchange for these extended weekends. Many times we can trade up to from a studio to a 1 bedroom unit. Works out real nice to get away from work, do the tourist thing and see the sights, even if we've seen them dozens of times before.