county rules against CMV permanent sites.

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http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsr...435d0171b.html this has been going on for months. the bigger problem is that most of the 92 sites added lots of additions and only some got building permits, the others got permission from Bluegreen. this is a big mess.

[scootr5 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close scootr5]

What a can of worms. There's not going to really be a good outcome for anyone. I can't believe the county turned a blind eye for so long.

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yes, you are correct. they did turn a blind eye, but worse is Bluegreen. when those were sold, the rules were no permanent housing, no rentals, only one addition of no more than 400 square feet. Bluegreen gave permission to a couple to build an A frame over their park model, and then it went on from there.
But - other rules go unheeded. I know of two different couples living in the campground section all summer. Their cost $500 includes the site, water, electricity, sewer and TV plus all the amenities. also people renting the camping sites out. The original people who bought the permanent sites were people who wanted to stay all summer, at that time the campground rules were enforced, so they bought the permanent sites.
When the cottages went up, no renting out was the rule, but they are rented all the time now.
Bluegreen gave permits out to the permanent site all the time; they did the same in the golf estates, let houses that were not up to the covenants be built. they did the same in the original neighborhood. One house was built onto golf course property, and they had to sell some of the property to the owners. There is a garage built basically on the road easement. Two houses were allowed to be built smaller than the covenants. The process is supposed to be get approval from Bluegreen to ensure meeting the covenants, get building permits from county and township.

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So where were the contractors in all of this?
Was BG the contractor? Didn't they pull permits?

Our county takes aerial shots of the cities and then tries to go after the offenders no matter how
long it's been up, but some properties are grandfathered in if they can prove they have old permits
or original drawings.

I had a problem with a porch on a property that I purchased but the plans were in the original drawings
so they let me keep it despite it not meeting current county regulations.

We even have a law that you must get a re-occupancy certificate in order to close on a property now.
The county comes out and takes pictures of the inside and outside and if there is any changes then you are
hit with fines, liens and permit issues.
This is why I love condo living.

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some of the people got permits from the county and the township, even though they should not have received them. but others never got permits, some built themselves, many are not up to code. realize that in the christmas mountain complex there ae some very epensive homes. one is going fo over a million with a six car garage.

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http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsr...435d0171b.html this has been going on for months. the bigger problem is that most of the 92 sites added lots of additions and only some got building permits, the others got permission from Bluegreen. this is a big mess.

Wow, I had no idea. But honestly, building a permanent home on a campsite that only allows 8 month residency seems a bit brazen on the residences part. Just because it has been allowed for 20 years doesn't make it right to do it.
They really should not be surprised by the ruling.
Unfortunate for the residents but understandable on the counties part.

And yes, this is a big mess, I am sorry for the people who need to relocate.

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Pat, they never thought they could only be there 8 months, apparently they believed the salesmen who sold them the lot. no attention was paid for lot lines either. and here is the kicker, many of them paid more for the little camping lot than people paid for the lots to build homes at Christmas mountain.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

Pat, they never thought they could only be there 8 months, apparently they believed the salesmen who sold them the lot. no attention was paid for lot lines either. and here is the kicker, many of them paid more for the little camping lot than people paid for the lots to build homes at Christmas mountain.

The whole thing is just crazy!

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what is the big attraction is the very low fee they pay yearly, they get amenities, sewer, cable, for about 700a year, and they don't pay much on taxes, probably a total of a few hundred dollars. I get charged for sewer on my vacant lot more than they are assessed for sewer in their permanent site. my tax bill on a vacant lot is more than they pay total for everything and they paid more for their lot in the campground than i did in the house area.

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this topic was featured on the news last night. They showed the covenants which state that people can live there year round. that is pretty bad news, this section was developed with compete disregard to the county ordinances and it is the buyers who are going to suffer,not the developer.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/Fami...voked/34105760

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I just found out two interesting things about this situation.
the campground association is paying for the lawyer who is representing the permanent sites (that means UDI owners too)
and many permanent site owners are in possession of a letter from salesmen saying they have the right to use the space 365 days a year.

the township says they issued the building permits in error and are rescinding them, even though they were issued many many years ago.

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many permanent site owners are in possession of a letter from salesmen saying they have the right to use the space 365 days a year.

the township says they issued the building permits in error and are rescinding them, even though they were issued many many years ago.

Sounds to me like both BG and the county are in the wrong here, and the people who did nothing wrong are paying for it.

I can understand wanting to get the roads clear for emergency vehicles, but this whole rescinding building permits that they issued seems crazy to me.

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the emergency vehicle thing; they could not save a house on fire here. they do not have fire hydrants, they kept going back to get more water instead of going to the ponds and pulling water. so that is a false concern. my friend is heading up the section she lives in, and researched the rescinding of permits. In all cases the people won, but it took a long time and a lot of money.