CMV UDI definitions??

[Ranzar Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ranzar]

Yo, Bruce!

I have searched and searched and I know this must be somewhere on the forums but I sure can't find it! But I have learned some things in the search. I thought maybe you could confirm what I think I "know" and then ask for a couple of definitions.

It seems like all CMV UDIs allow the user to book 1 red week and two more non-red weeks plus book a 4th week within 45 days if available. And you can book a new week of the same color on the first day of a booked reservation.

Then it seems like there are fixed weeks, floating weeks and preferred?

I guess a "pure" ownership is as above. Then there was the "blended" where the owner traded in his red week with BG for 9000 points but retained the blue/white option plus the 45 day option.

Is all that correct?

I am considering buying CT360 week 10.

So here are the questions:

Is week 10 a red week? If not would I still get the option for a red week?

Do fixed weeks have the same value as floating weeks? What is preferred?

If you are a UDI owner but you don't buy from an "authorized reseller" do you still get the option for the 4th week? Is Pinnacle an "authorized reseller"?

If all this is in some other post let me know.

And Thanks for any help!!

[swirg53 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close swirg53]

You first described a "pure" UDI at CMV. Red week plus 2 white/blue weeks plus one 45 day reservation, all based on availability, of course. When you have a check-in, then a like reservation can be made again. There is a $48 housekeeping fee per week attached to the 2 bedroom cottages and I a believe a $50 housekeeping fee per week with the 2 bedroom timbers. There are no cancellation fees.

There are fixed week ownerships at CMV also. There are also floating weeks, some of which are good for the entire year while others for only certain times of the year. I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention "preferred" other than the former silver/gold preferred program of the Bluegreen Vacation Club which now is bronze/silver/gold/platinum premier program of the Bluegreen Vacation Club.

A blended UDI means that some owner along the way traded in their red week for some # of BG points. (I think they had to pay money also to do that.) They pay the same amount of maintenance fees that a pure UDI owner pays--but do not pay any extra maintenance fees for those points.

So, you are essentially right that they can no longer book red weeks off the UDI but I believe their 45 day reservation actually turns into a 90 day reservation but I could definitely be wrong in that regard.

So, the one you are thinking of buying, is this a pure UDI, blended UDI, fixed week, floating week or something else?

The two bedroom cottage UDIs are actually considered as a part of Christmas Mountain Campground. The two bedroom timbers and two bedroom oak timbers are part of Christmas Mountain Timbers. With the timbers ownerships, the OWNER(s) only annually get a free season pass for skiing and golfing. Unfortunately, that is not transferable to a renter.

I hope this helps even though I am not Bruce! (But Bruce taught me and I am a slow learner!)

Susan

[brucecz Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close brucecz]

Susan is 100% correct on the regular "pure" CMV UDI's. She is being very modest and is a much faster lear than I am.

On your "I am considering buying CT360 week 10." how much do the Yearly Maintenance fees, including the taxes and reserve fund total for the 2008-2008 year that ends on May, 31, 2009?

On your "If you are a UDI owner but you don't buy from an "authorized reseller" do you still get the option for the 4th week?" Yes you do.

To rehash. On a blended UDI a you may get 9,000 or 12,000 BG yearly Point package per blended UDI. We have 39,000 Points attached to our 4 Blended CMV UDI's and only pay besides we regular CMV maintenance fees one $115 Club dues on these 4 CMV UDI's.

One you have used your BG Points up on a blended CMV UDI you will have the following "Flex" reservation types to use.

You can have any combination of 2 White and Blue reservations. Then you are allowed as Susan said one 90 dayer that can be a Red, White or Blue Week.

So you can have at anyone time 3 non point "Flex" reservations on a Blended CMV UDI at anyone one time. Then when the check in date comes then you can make another reservation.

On the ownerships that have the free greens fees and ski passes only the 17Oak Timber units have those features. The Deluxe and Townhouse Timbers do NOT.

The Oak Timbers are better renters than the Cottages because they are larger and have more amenties like a screened in porch and a Jennaire grill on that Screened in porch. The Cottages and even the newrer BG Points CMV Townhouses do not have a screened in Porch and Grills on thier porches.

Thats one reason why a CMV UDI Oak Timbers are a lot harder to find than a CMV UDI Cottage. WE own 4 CMV UDI Cottages which one is a Blended and 3 are pure. We own 7 CMV UDI Timbers which 3 are blended and 4 are pure.


Pinnacle in thier ads mistakely calls most listings in their CMV ads Villas. A lot of the unit numbers they have listed as Villas are not Villas. There are only 55 Villas at CMV out of well over supposely over 300 units.

If I were making a offer on any Pinnacle listing I would use Boca.

A couple of things that have not been mentioned that these can be exchanged with RCI and II weeks plus some of the indeptdents to get around some 1 in 4 rule that RCI has for some resorts.

If you own a RCI Point resort you can deposit up to 4 Cottages and 4 Oak Timber units per year per RCI Points account. You can have up to 3 RCI Points accounts.

If you are looking for a Blended Oak Timbers UDI give me a call at 1-262-878-7566 only between 6 AM to 8 PM CST.

For more info if you click on to the link below named "More of our Timeshare Ownerships" those ads have very detailed explanations of the CMV Oak UDI's we have for sale.

Bruce

[Ranzar Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ranzar]

Wow, Susan, Bruce, you guys are fabulous. Great information!

So I guess I still have a couple of questions. The UDI CT360 week in question is a "fixed" week 10. I'm assuming that is the red week. Then there should be 2 more non-red week reservations available + the bonus 4th week. Right? Do all fixed or floating UDIs have these rights?

Are fixed week UDIs worth less than floating weeks on the resale market?

Just so you understand what I am trying to do with this. I probably won't be staying at CMV - I intend to trade into RCI or II. I'm thinking I might want to get some points and get an RCI Points account and then trade weeks into points. (Bruce, your info on the limit of trading 4 weeks max for points was very useful!)

Do you know how many points CMV red, blue, white weeks trade into?

Thanks,

R>

[brucecz Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close brucecz]

Wow, Susan, Bruce, you guys are fabulous. Great information!

So I guess I still have a couple of questions. The UDI CT360 week in question is a "fixed" week 10. I'm assuming that is the red week. Then there should be 2 more non-red week reservations available + the bonus 4th week. Right? Do all fixed or floating UDIs have these rights?

Are fixed week UDIs worth less than floating weeks on the resale market?

Thanks,

R>

"Are fixed week UDIs worth less than floating weeks on the resale market?" I know of no Cottage fixed weeks.

As far as I know CMV "Pure" UDI's weeks usage are "flex weeks" not fixed weeks.
On most but not all CMV UDI Cottages have a week number and unit number for deeding purposes in part to make sure that the developer is is not selling more weeks than are available like one company in Az. did.


I gain will ask
On your "I am considering buying CT360 week 10." how much do the Yearly Maintenance fees, including the taxes and reserve fund total for the 2008-2008 year that ends on May, 31, 2009?

The reason I asked that there are Cottages that are only for use as Bluegreen Points and are not CMV UDI's and have differant maintenance fees.

Give me a call at 1-262-878-7566 only between 6 AM to 8 PM CST.and I think I can answer any questions better over the phone in 5 mintues compared to 1 hour or so of typing out emails.

Bruce

[Ranzar Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ranzar]

Bruce - I will give you a call once I've found out what the maint fees are. I agree about 5 min vs. 1 hour!

Got the maint fee info: Maint Fees: $611.06, Reserve(?): $99.57, Taxes: $54.48.

May have to call you tomorrow as I'm on my way out.

R>

[swirg53 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close swirg53]

Ranzar: the maintenance fees you quoted--would indicate this is indeed a cottage UDI............along with the # also...............good job!

Bruce: are the timbers UDI maintenance fees more than the cottages?

Bruce: You said how many Timbers UDIs you own, which was seven. How many of those are oak timbers?

And why the differentiation calling it "oak" timbers? Is it all oak inside? or is it just one of those differences in wording: Lincoln versus Ford. This is a CMV term, right?

Is there less availability getting into the oak timbers because of there being fewer intervals since there are fewer units?

One has to own an oak timbers to book an oak timbers, right? (unless you were booking with points for the blended or totally sold intervals)

Can an oak timbers owner book a regular timbers week?

Sorry for all the questions--you know me soaking up info when I can get it.

I'm not going out the door soon as Ranzar but I am hitting the hay very soon. If you don't want to type, maybe we can talk on the phone tomorrow! Thanks, Bruce!

Susan

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Diamond Resorts International Intent to Purchase BG

Hey Bruce!

I'm already back with another question.........with this announcement today about Diamond Resorts International Intent to Purchase BG, could a purchase of BG have any affect on our UDIs? Or is this just another thing like the UDIs used to be owned by RDI when CMV was owned by RDI and when BG took it over, BG had to keep the UDI rules the same as they had been because of being a deeded ownership. Or at least I think that is true, is it?

[brucecz Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close brucecz]

Ranzar: the maintenance fees you quoted--would indicate this is indeed a cottage UDI............along with the # also...............good job!

(1) Bruce: are the timbers UDI maintenance fees more than the cottages?

(2) Bruce: You said how many Timbers UDIs you own, which was seven. How many of those are oak timbers?

(3) And why the differentiation calling it "oak" timbers? Is it all oak inside? or is it just one of those differences in wording: Lincoln versus Ford. This is a CMV term, right?

(4) Is there less availability getting into the oak timbers because of there being fewer intervals since there are fewer units?

(5) One has to own an oak timbers to book an oak timbers, right? (unless you were booking with points for the blended or totally sold intervals)

(6) Can an oak timbers owner book a regular timbers week?

Sorry for all the questions--you know me soaking up info when I can get it.

I'm not going out the door soon as Ranzar but I am hitting the hay very soon. If you don't want to type, maybe we can talk on the phone tomorrow! Thanks, Bruce!

Susan

(1) They are $839 for both the "Pure" and "Blended" but you pay $115 for the BG Club Dues on the Blended for a total of $954 on one Blended. If you own more than one Blended then you still only pay one BG Club dues like Iwe do on our 4 Blended ownerships.

(2) They are all Oak Timbers as only the Oak Timbers are CMV UDI's. None of the other Timbers are UDI's. There are only 17 Oak Timbers units.

Some people IMHO were dumb to pay and convert some of these Oak Timbers to just BG points and get far less use at a higher cost per week. So there are less Oak Timbers now available than 10 years ago.

(3) They and the Oak Villas are in a section of the resort that has mostly Oak trees while the Pine Villas have mostly Pine trees around them.

(4) If you mean compared to the Cottages, yes. But IMHO not as much as before because the Cottages being cheaper to buy they are being used more for rentals while IMHO the owners stay in thier Timbers a higher % of the time.
(5) Through BG that is correct up to a point. Some Oak Timbers are available to BG Points owners because they were conned into covertin to BG Points so those are in the BG Points pool. Those Converted Oak Timbers BG Points units are no longer in the UDI pool but in the BG Points pool.

Of course you can exchange for a Oak Timbers in RCI and II. But RCI rents out a lot of the CMV units leaving less for the exchangers. We get quite a few people who own Gold Crown units renting from us because of the lack of either availability or exchange power for a summer or Christmas -New Years vacation.

(6) There are 3 types of Timbers. The UDI Oak timbers and the NON UDI Deluxe Timbers and NON UDI Townhouse Timbers.

Unless when booking through Bluegreen you use points you can only book using the "Flex" portion of a Oak Timbers book a Oak Timbers.


Unfortuately on the BG website they refer to the Oak Timbers as a "regular Timbers" and have it misslisted it at 1,100 square feet. I measured the Oak Timbers and it is about 900 square feet when you include the Oak Timbers screened in porch. (I have been telling BG for years that they should correct thier info)

But if you look at a the CMV resort map they refer to them as Oak Timbers. Also at the resort the sign reads Oak Timbetrs not "Regular" Timbers on the BG website.

Here are 2 links to my very detailed UDI Timbers ads that can provide a lot more information. One is for a "Blended" and one for a "Pure" UDI. If after reading those if you have more questions, please post those questions.

Christmas Mountain Village*Wisconsin Dells*Wisconsin - ID#17815

Christmas Mountain Village Wisconsin Dells Wisconsin - ID#8763

Bruce

[brucecz Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close brucecz]

Hey Bruce!

I'm already back with another question.........with this announcement today about Diamond Resorts International Intent to Purchase BG, could a purchase of BG have any affect on our UDIs? Or is this just another thing like the UDIs used to be owned by RDI when CMV was owned by RDI and when BG took it over, BG had to keep the UDI rules the same as they had been because of being a deeded ownership. Or at least I think that is true, is it?

I will post about the same thing here as I did on the Bluegreen Yahoo group site. Go through the Diamond portion of this site so you can form your own opinion.

One of the posters who has owned at Diamond managed resorts for maybe 7 or more years is dougp26364. IMHO I think even through he is a owner he is NOT a homer and his posts are agin IMHO the most balanced about the pros and cons about Diamond and Diamonds past history and how Diamond is doing today with thier Points system.

The best and fairest answer I can give you is that dougp26364 past posts about as Diamond management IMHO is as good and fair sourse as you can get for information about Diamond's managements treatment of the Diamond Club members.

I would suggest you post some questions to dougp26364 on a one of the Diamond strings he has posted on. I will on this posting of mine.

Aslo read the Diamond info "stickys" for more background.

Bruce