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  • Will Boomers Pull Funds From The Stock Market?

    Will boomers retire and place funds into CD's or other capital preservation investments?

    Will boomers sell larger homes (If they can) and will trade down?

    What will this do to both Markets?

    Walt

    How will Baby Boomers' retirement affect stocks? - USATODAY.com

    But the big question: If Boomers follow the usual pattern of shifting their portfolio mix toward income-generating investments — bank CDs, bonds and dividend-paying stocks — will the stock market's long dry spell drag on?

    The notion that Boomers will shift their assets to more conservative assets in retirement seems like a layup. Classic portfolio theory holds that you should shift your holdings to income-oriented investments the closer you get to retirement age. After all, when you retire, your own income ends, and you become reliant on Social Security, pensions and your investments to pay your bills. Income-producing investments also tend to be less volatile than growth stocks — and you can't make up stock market losses with your paycheck when you're retired.

    Will Boomers Cause a Stock Market Crash? - CBS MoneyWatch.com

    Why do you call stock-based retirement plans a ‘national Ponzi scheme’?

    It is a Ponzi scheme in that early returns to early investors — the boomers — must come from money paid in by later investors, the younger workers. The boomers will need to sell to realize any gains. That puts the plans in the same category as Bernie Madoff’s operation. There will be too few buyers with adequate purchasing power and the will to pay adequate prices for the boomers’ stocks.


    Senior moment for the stock market? What will the boomers do with their financial assets? - Michael McDonough - Seeking Alpha

    As the level of withdrawals rises, mutual fund managers are forced to liquidate positions or use the fund’s cash position to pay investors, either way diminishing purchasing power. Since 1994, net outflows from equity funds have coincided with declining equity markets (see chart). Without question a portion of this is due to skittish investors looking to avoid further losses in not just the fund market. This, however, creates an adverse feedback loop: as selling continues, investors grow increasingly concerned, leading to further withdrawals. It is hard to isolate an instance when equity funds faced net cash outflows without a financial shock, but as the ratio of contributors to withdrawers declines the system may get its first test, as it seems a large chunk of the US$9.6trn fund market has been earmarked for retirement by an aging population.

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    1. Although enough people owns stocks, most of the values are owned by top 5%. And for them, it probably does not matter too much. Just image if you will see Buffet pull his money to bond.

    2. American may see its boomer retried, the world with its most populated country are seeing their wealth get accumulated into few people's hand. And in returned, it will in the form of company, company stock.

    Jya-Ning
    Jya-Ning

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    • #3
      This article maybe 20 years late.

      The first year baby boom already in retirement, and most of them will be in 15 years or less. Most of their profile if they goes to some advisory will already trim the stock holding, even if they are still aggressively invest.

      Be retired does not mean dead, if you happen to live in 30 years, you will still need investment. So, we are close to the end cycle if there is mass pulling money out for retirement purpose.

      More likely, start from next 20 years, we will see some wealth transfer between generations. And if next population is shrink, they will have more disposable income than this generation.

      Jya-Ning
      Jya-Ning

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      • #4
        I thought boomers playing the market had their money "pulled out" on them a few years back.

        One of the alpha males at the golf club always has the same answer . . . he has his money in a Mexican diaper company. Says there will always be a market. Seriously.
        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JLB
          I thought boomers playing the market had their money "pulled out" on them a few years back.

          One of the alpha males at the golf club always has the same answer . . . he has his money in a Mexican diaper company. Says there will always be a market. Seriously.
          Wait, you play golf?

          My fave alpha quote: "In order for there to be room for me to get ahead - there has to be room for you to get behind."
          Rick

          "You've got as much time to get outta Dodge as it takes to saddle up"
          Matt Dillon

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          • #6
            Stock Market...Bond Market....CD's...Money Market....Cash

            Originally posted by Jya-Ning
            This article maybe 20 years late.

            The first year baby boom already in retirement, and most of them will be in 15 years or less. Most of their profile if they goes to some advisory will already trim the stock holding, even if they are still aggressively invest.

            Be retired does not mean dead, if you happen to live in 30 years, you will still need investment. So, we are close to the end cycle if there is mass pulling money out for retirement purpose.

            More likely, start from next 20 years, we will see some wealth transfer between generations. And if next population is shrink, they will have more disposable income than this generation.

            Jya-Ning
            The Baby Boom began in 1946 and stretched through 1964.

            There are many ways to invest for retirement. Stock Market...Bond Market....CD's...Money Market....Cash.

            The question is "Will the Boomers pull most of their money from the Stock Market and put it into Bonds (Bond Mutual Funds), CD's, Money Markets, or Cash?


            How will Baby Boomers' retirement affect stocks? - USATODAY.com

            The Baby Boom began in 1946 and stretched through 1964. The mutual fund industry has grown up with Boomers. In 1971, when the first Boomers turned 25 and began to enter the workforce, the fund industry had $55 billion in assets. It's now a $10.7 trillion behemoth, $4.1 trillion of which is in retirement accounts, according to the Investment Company Institute, the funds' trade group. About 42% of mutual fund IRA money is invested in U.S. stock funds, as are 46% of assets in mutual fund defined-contribution plans such as 401(k)s.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tennisWalt View Post
              The Baby Boom began in 1946 and stretched through 1964.
              1946 is 65 old this year. So if they need to pull or will feel more comfortable to stay out as much as they can from stock market, they already did that.

              1964 is 47 old, or about another 18 years to retire, so they may and should still have great % in stock market, but I will say if anyone is about 10 years to retirement, they will think that and remodel their assests. So, if the number are close to evenly distribute, about 60% will have their assest tied to more conservative allocation.

              Not to mention if someone hold really enough in stock market, they probably will take earlier retirement.

              So you have over 1/2 of these boomer if they so choose will have great % of their wealth out of the stock market.

              If you start to pull away from stock market at 15 years, almost all should be doing that to a certain degree already.

              in 20 years, the babyboomer from 1946 will be 85. So, you will start to expect to see the wealth distribute from one generation to another.

              You may not see enough money to continue move the general market up, but you should see enough money to push one sector or few comapnies hot.

              jya-ning
              Jya-Ning

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              • #8
                I am a baby boomer and my money is going to stay in the market for the next five (5) years or more!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ampaholic View Post
                  Wait, you play golf?

                  My fave alpha quote: "In order for there to be room for me to get ahead - there has to be room for you to get behind."
                  Me?

                  Wait?

                  Why?
                  RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                  • #10
                    I'm a baby boomer too - though a little closer to the tail end (1958). I still have a good deal invested in stocks, but I've gotten very picky about which ones to choose. Over the next 10 years, I expect to slowly move some of the stock funds into more secure accounts. However, given the low rate of return for CDs, I'm not sure that's the way to go. I'll have to do some serious research to figure out the best way to move forward.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by longtimer View Post
                      I'm a baby boomer too - though a little closer to the tail end (1958). I still have a good deal invested in stocks, but I've gotten very picky about which ones to choose. Over the next 10 years, I expect to slowly move some of the stock funds into more secure accounts. However, given the low rate of return for CDs, I'm not sure that's the way to go. I'll have to do some serious research to figure out the best way to move forward.
                      Right now a MMSA

                      https://www.google.com/advisor/uscd?...1&si=0&start=0

                      is almost as good as a 1 yr CD with access to your funds


                      https://www.google.com/advisor/ussav...1&si=0&start=0

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