Penn State

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Let's talk.

Sure is a lot of moralistic preacherizing going on by folks who must live in Goody Two Shoes Shangrilaland. They're saying everyone who had a suspicion shoulda called the cops.

What would you do? Be honest, now. Think about companies and organizations you've been in, how they work, and consequences of false innuendoes.

Let's say you have a suspicion that a person higher than you in your company has had innappropriate contact with a minor, at the company. You don't know for sure, or how serious it might be.

You have a company policy setting out exactly what you are to do if you decide to do it. It says you should report it (or sexual harassment, or any other forbidden conduct) to your superior, or, if it is about your superior, to their superior. You are at the lowest level in your company, or close to.

Again, be honest. What would you do?

[ace2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ace2000]

You sure do know how to start trouble, don't you?

[ace2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ace2000]

I'll start... regardless of what anyone says here, it really comes down to reality. And nobody is going to know for sure how'd they react unless they've been there.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I'll start... regardless of what anyone says here, it really comes down to reality. And nobody is going to know for sure how'd they react unless they've been there.

I have been, sorta, which is why I am a bit annoyed about the preacherizing.

C'mon, we've all been in a situation where we think someone in our company or organization has done something they shouldn't have, and we have to decide what we are going to do about it.

First one to say what they would do gets a free round of golf, somewhere, some day. If you're honest, I'll include a dozen balls. (after all, I know I'll be able to walk the woods the next day and get them all back)

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

I don't golf, but I would and have taken action to stop something I think is wrong and seriously so. Most people prefer to ignore things where they think the results would be self harming.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I don't golf, but I would and have taken action to stop something I think is wrong and seriously so. Most people prefer to ignore things where they think the results would be self harming.

In my scenario, esentially the Penn State scenario, what, specifically, would you have done? Describe taking action.

A lot of people seem to have taken action, at Penn State, enough to get it up to Graham Spanier.

[Pat H Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pat H]

We are not talking about an adult being sexually harrassed. It's a 10 yr old child being raped. How could anyone not do something? McCreary now says that he did stop it and reported it to the campus police. No one here has all the facts either and never will. Were Joe & McCreary told it WAS reported to the police by the administration? Could be. Do we know? Were they told that it was being handled and not to say anything? Do we know?

I can't believe that Sandusky went on TV and actually denied everything, Does he think we are all imbeciles? I hope he likes being sodomized in prison! Although the inmates will probably kill him instead.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

The question is what would you do. . . in a real life situation where you have a written policy of what you are supposed to do. . . when you suspect a superior.

[Pat H Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pat H]

The question is what would you do. . . in a real life situation where you have a written policy of what you are supposed to do. . . when you suspect a superior.

In a scenario not related to physical abuse? I have investigated that superior and developed enough evidence to have them fired and/or arrested. Oh, yeah, that was my job.

[ace2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ace2000]

In my scenario, esentially the Penn State scenario, what, specifically, would you have done? Describe taking action.

A lot of people seem to have taken action, at Penn State, enough to get it up to Graham Spanier.

Are you saying what would you do if you were McQueary? Or someone else?

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

We are not talking about an adult being sexually harrassed. It's a 10 yr old child being raped. How could anyone not do something? McCreary now says that he did stop it and reported it to the campus police. No one here has all the facts either and never will. Were Joe & McCreary told it WAS reported to the police by the administration? Could be. Do we know? Were they told that it was being handled and not to say anything? Do we know?

I can't believe that Sandusky went on TV and actually denied everything, Does he think we are all imbeciles? I hope he likes being sodomized in prison! Although the inmates will probably kill him instead.

Did you see Sandusky on TV. I did and he was pathetic. There were a couple defense lawyers that commented on it and they said that he just handed the prosecution their case.

The whole issue is disgusting. Innocent children being raped and Penn State covering it up to protect their football program. It is all about the money ( ~ $70,000,000 ). This is not suspicion. Sandusky was seen raping the young boy by McCreary who should have stopped it on the spot and reported it to the police.

Paterno knew about it and did nothing. The whole place should be cleaned out and those involved in the coverup prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

This is going to cost Penn State millions of dollars. They will have trouble recruiting players. One of their top recruits has already turned them down when the story came out. Donations will dry up and they are facing several civil lawsuits. They took down Paterno's statue today. The rioting of the students over Paterno's firing was absolutely disgusting.

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

I have been, sorta, which is why I am a bit annoyed about the preacherizing.

C'mon, we've all been in a situation where we think someone in our company or organization has done something they shouldn't have, and we have to decide what we are going to do about it.

First one to say what they would do gets a free round of golf, somewhere, some day. If you're honest, I'll include a dozen balls. (after all, I know I'll be able to walk the woods the next day and get them all back)

This wasn't a matter where someone thought somebody did wrong. McCreary saw Sandusky raping the 10 yo boy in the shower.

I would have stopped it and called the police.

[rapmarks Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close rapmarks]

there is something that confuses me. Sandusky left his position at the university in 1999, didn't he? The asst coach saw this incident in 2002 or 2003. Why was Sandusky at the college locker rooms? He wouldn't be McCleary's supervisior would he?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I am trying not ask anything about Penn State per se.

Tony has been closest so far, the question being if you thought someone in your company or organization was doing something they should not, and there was a written policy explaining how you should handle, what would you do?

As to anything regarding Penn State, rapes in the shower, or anything else, I guess I missed the trial, the presentation of evidence, the findings of the jury. I'm surprised that all that sorta talk is being allowed all over TV, cuz it will likely make a fair trial impossible.

[ace2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ace2000]

In my scenario, esentially the Penn State scenario, what, specifically, would you have done? Describe taking action.

A lot of people seem to have taken action, at Penn State, enough to get it up to Graham Spanier.

I am trying not ask anything about Penn State per se.

On one hand you seem to be saying to apply the Penn State scenario and on the other you seem to not be saying not the Penn State scenario. To answer your question, I'd have to know what type of incident you're talking about. Stealing, sexual harassment, or the Penn St. scenario?

I'd like to think I'd do the right thing myself, but my point is that unless you're in that situation, one will never know how they'll respond.

Did I win the golf pass yet?