Shooting at Empire State Building

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You apparently have something against police officers doing their job. It is speculation who shot the bystanders.

"The mayor said some of the wounded "may have been accidentally" shot by police officers."

Workplace shootings by disgruntled or fired workers is not a rare occurrance.

[easyrider Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close easyrider]

No problem with police officers here. I do have a problem with policies that put the public in harms way. High speed chases through crowded areas often times result in death of innocent bystanders. How is shooting in a crowded area any different ? It would have been better to follow the shooter to a less crowded area or home, imo.

Bill

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

From what I just heard on the news a construction worker pointed the shooter out and police were 8 ft away. The shooter pulled out the 45. Imo they did what had to be done.

No problem with police officers here. I do have a problem with policies that put the public in harms way. High speed chases through crowded areas often times result in death of innocent bystanders. How is shooting in a crowded area any different ? It would have been better to follow the shooter to a less crowded area or home, imo.

Bill

[ampaholic Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ampaholic]

From what I just heard on the news a construction worker pointed the shooter out and police were 8 ft away. The shooter pulled out the 45. Imo they did what had to be done.

Yep, when someone who has already KILLED someone else pulls out a gun 8 feet from the cops - I expect the cops to drop him - FAST and hopefully clean.

For all we know if they had not shot there could be another 3 or 5 or 7 dead (how many bullets does a 45 hold?). I wasn't there and I'm pretty sure there will be an inquest so speculation is well - speculation.

[Hobbitess Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hobbitess]

It is speculation who shot the bystanders.

There's also the fact that a lot of news reports get it wrong, especially with a situation as confused as this one was.

My guess is that the rule is not to get in a shootout with someone in a crowded area if you can avoid it. Most districts have an inquiry after any shooting that results in a death to see if the shooting was justified according to policy, but it's generally recognized that the cop on the scene has to analyze the situation. A policy where they absolutely forbid shooting in a populated area would be just as bad as one that told cops to shoot without worrying about where they were.

[wackymother Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wackymother]

If you've ever been around the Empire State Building around nine a.m. on a weekday, you know that there ARE no uncrowded areas. There are pedestrians, many of them tourists, everywhere.

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No problem with police officers here. I do have a problem with policies that put the public in harms way. High speed chases through crowded areas often times result in death of innocent bystanders. How is shooting in a crowded area any different ? It would have been better to follow the shooter to a less crowded area or home, imo.

Bill

Apparently you are not familiar with Manhattan. I have been there several times. There are no areas near there that are not crowded.

[easyrider Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close easyrider]

Your right, Manhatten is on my go to list. I just seems that if your standing 8 ft away from your target I cant figure out how they missed so many times.

Bill