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  • #31
    I agree with you on not being hated on my trips to Europe.

    Originally posted by DDI Par
    Walt . . .

    I appreciate the history comments, and, though they may not be exactly parallel to today, there are some obvious similarities. I don't think Truman was as universally criticized by countries abroad as is the case today with the current administration. And Truman was able to get UN sanctions and commitments, which we have not in Iraq.

    But my main point to Emmy was that I felt that people in other countries do not hate "us", meaning the American people. The people and friends abroad that we have encountered reserve their dislike for our foreign policy, which the majority of the American people also disapprove of, according to every poll I have seen.

    I have no idea whether such sentiment existed during the Korean War, or if there were even such things as polls 50+ years ago to verify that. (I was just a toddler then, so I can only remember seeing maps in the paper showing how the front lines changed as the war progressed.)

    I am just personally upbeat about the fact that we can come home from a foreign trip after having experienced warmth and friendship, despite our government's disapproval in much of the world's opinion.

    Thanks for the Korean War info, Walt . . .
    DDI Par


    "I am just personally upbeat about the fact that we can come home from a foreign trip after having experienced warmth and friendship, despite our government's disapproval in much of the world's opinion."

    Very well said. I know it is true, for me, on my trips to Europe.


    As far as The Korean War and Truman.

    I was 10 in 1950. So the Korean War was a little before my time too. But I do know that TV did not have the influence it does now on us. However, there were still a lot of Americans at that time that wanted out of the Korean War by 1953. That is the reason Eisenhower was elected President.

    "The Korean War was a stalemate that cost 44,000 American soldiers killed or missing, and ruined Truman's plans for a third term. Crusading against Truman's failures ("Korea! Communism! Corruption") Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower ended 20 years of Democratic rule in 1952.

    Although he was forced out of his re-election campaign in 1952 because of low approval ratings, scholars today rank him among the best Presidents."

    "In October 1950, China intervened on North Korea's behalf. MacArthur advised Truman to attack Chinese bases across the Yalu River and use atomic bombs if necessary. The Chinese pushed forces far back into South Korea, but the forces found themselves back at the original starting point in the Spring of 1951. MacArthur publicly aired his views despite the President's disagreement and against his direct orders, as Truman was concerned escalation would draw Russia and its atomic bombs into the conflict. On April 11, 1951, Truman relieved MacArthur of his command."

    "The war and dismissal of MacArthur made Truman so unpopular that he did not seek a third term in the 1952 election. In February 1952, Truman's approval mark was at 22% according to Gallup polls. This is the all-time lowest approval mark for an active American President."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Truman


    Walt

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    • #32
      Boy ~~ Am I glad I stayed out of this one ~~ I don't agree with Kieth for what he did ~~ But ~~ Tthat's me ~~ He should stay over at "Over There" ~~ "JMPHO" ~~ As far as the "OP" ~~ y'all are right ~~ another trouble maker ~~ I just don't think the post was all that bad ~~ But ~~ Maybe I missed something ~~
      ~ Do What I Say, Not What I Do! ~

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      • #33
        Originally posted by The Conch Man
        I don't agree with Kieth for what he did ~~ But ~~ Tthat's me ~~ I just don't think the post was all that bad ~~ But ~~ Maybe I missed something ~~

        I requested the post closed for 3 reasons. If you read my posts on this or the other thread you would have seen that but I will repeat it again.

        1 This issue was resolved 6 months ago.
        2 That forum is for questions to DAE only not for discussions.
        3 The reason it is not for discussions is DAE gets an email for every post that is made on that ask DAE forum. 20 posts = 20 emails

        We did not censor anything since all posts there are still intact. We simply asked to start a new thread in another forum which he never did. I believe he now realizes that he was totally wrong and now he has his head up his ass and has gone into hiding.





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        • #34
          Originally posted by The Conch Man
          ~~ I don't agree with Kieth for what he did ~~ But ~~ Tthat's me ~~ He should stay over at "Over There" ~~ "JMPHO" ~~
          What do you mean "He should stay at 'Over there'"? I have never been a moderator on TUG which I presume is what you meant by 'Over there'.
          All I did was lock a topic that had (a) already been fully answered and (b) was completely off topic. Nothing was deleted and 'Bulldog' was free to post his comments on a more appropriate forum if he so wished.
          I don't think that requesting supporting evidence for the claims being made is unreasonable.
          Also, unlike some of the mods on other sites, I am happy to accept that some won't agree with what I do. I am also happy to do as I have here, and on the original thread, and explain the reasons for the actions taken.

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          • #35
            Maybe rethink your comments?

            The Conch,
            Yes, I really do think you missed something, and I find that surprising, as you don't usually make a comment without understanding the details....I don't understand the remark made about "stay over there" either....I don't really think it works in the context of these two threads being discussed, and seems almost a gratuitous swipe at Keith which is not at all warranted. Would you want to re-read the entire threads? Maybe if you re-read them, you might want to revise your comments, maybe not, but I think you did miss the full discussion. Just a suggestion.
            Life is short, live it with this awareness.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by The Conch Man
              Boy ~~ Am I glad I stayed out of this one ~~ I don't agree with Kieth for what he did ~~ But ~~ Tthat's me ~~ He should stay over at "Over There" ~~ "JMPHO" ~~ As far as the "OP" ~~ y'all are right ~~ another trouble maker ~~ I just don't think the post was all that bad ~~ But ~~ Maybe I missed something ~~
              Oh man..come on Conchy. Don't go knocking our Keith. He's doing the best he can, and a splendid job he's doing as well. It's too easy to sit back and criticise sometimes...JMHO

              I'm glad he closed it. I'm mortified that a thread I started was used to take a swipe at DAE in that way.
              Syd

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Keitht

                What do you mean "He should stay at 'Over there'"? I have never been a moderator on TUG which I presume is what you meant by 'Over there'.
                All I did was lock a topic that had (a) already been fully answered and (b) was completely off topic. Nothing was deleted and 'Bulldog' was free to post his comments on a more appropriate forum if he so wished.
                I don't think that requesting supporting evidence for the claims being made is unreasonable.
                Also, unlike some of the mods on other sites, I am happy to accept that some won't agree with what I do. I am also happy to do as I have here, and on the original thread, and explain the reasons for the actions taken.
                I meant what I said ~~ You & I had a little scramble sometime back "Over There" & you were wrong ~~ I think you are in the click over there & have been for some time ~~ You might have my "friends" here convinced you aren't ~~ But I know better ~~ I can't provide facts yet but you provide information to some of the moderators "Over There" bout what some individuals provided here bout "Tug" ~~ That's why some people here & over at "Tug" get banned for reasons unknowed ~~ I'll stick to my guns until other wise proven wrong ~~ You have always had in for me now its my turn to pay you back ~~ Keith ~~ you might convinced people here but you will never convinced me ~~
                ~ Do What I Say, Not What I Do! ~

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                • #38
                  This is the type of discord that hit and run trolls hope to stir up.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by The Conch Man
                    I meant what I said ~~ You & I had a little scramble sometime back "Over There" & you were wrong ~~ I think you are in the click over there & have been for some time ~~ You might have my "friends" here convinced you aren't ~~ But I know better ~~ I can't provide facts yet but you provide information to some of the moderators "Over There" bout what some individuals provided here bout "Tug" ~~ That's why some people here & over at "Tug" get banned for reasons unknowed ~~ I'll stick to my guns until other wise proven wrong ~~ You have always had in for me now its my turn to pay you back ~~ Keith ~~ you might convinced people here but you will never convinced me ~~

                    Trev I think you are taking a unwarranted cheap shot at my staff. If you have a problem with anyone here, you know you have an ignore feature that you can use if you don't like someone.
                    The difference that makes this site what it is. We let you say your say. But I won't have my help harassed. So I am letting you know as a friend please don't pull this shit in an open forum again. I do not need to be put into a position that might require editing of posts from friends. I won't be asking again so please don't do it again.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by The Conch Man
                      I meant what I said ~~ You & I had a little scramble sometime back "Over There" & you were wrong ~~ I think you are in the click over there & have been for some time ~~ You might have my "friends" here convinced you aren't ~~ But I know better ~~ I can't provide facts yet but you provide information to some of the moderators "Over There" bout what some individuals provided here bout "Tug" ~~ That's why some people here & over at "Tug" get banned for reasons unknowed ~~ I'll stick to my guns until other wise proven wrong ~~ You have always had in for me now its my turn to pay you back ~~ Keith ~~ you might convinced people here but you will never convinced me ~~
                      What utter rambling drivel. I don't know which 'little scramble' you are referring to, but it's entirely possible that we have had a difference of opinion in the past either here or 'Over there'. I'm afraid that if you have a problem with differing opinions to your own it is exactly that - your problem.

                      I can categorically state that I have never passed information to TUG admins about what is said here. There is no need to as everything here with the exception of the admin forum is open to all anyway. If you have any evidence to support your libellous claims please post them, if not an apology is always acceptable although I don't expect one to be forthcoming.

                      Just for the record I have recently had a number of posts on TUG deleted and when I have questioned the reasons in PMs to the mods of the relevant boards they have got very huffy with me. Hardly what would happen to to a member of the elite clique!

                      My only 'active' involvement with TUG other than as a normal posting member is administering the European Reviews. I took that responsibility from another TUG member who is also a member of this site. Are you suggesting that all members of TS4M who are also members of TUG are involved in some conspiracy?

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                      • #41
                        Will all parties consider discussing this on a chat forum ? Will the administrators and moderators allow for this ?This would provide real-time exchanges from the main parties as well as those on the sidelines.
                        Everyone has a point that they want to put out there. Both members are fine people from what I know about them over the years. Our differences should not be devisive.
                        B.

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                        • #42
                          This reminds me of the movie "A Fish Called Wanda." Remember that one?

                          Kevin Klein and John Cleese really make that movie great.

                          Forget a chat room brawl. How about boxing gloves in Las Vegas at the Grand Chateau. Christmas 2006.
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                          • #43


                            Don't forget Michael Palin.....


                            KKKEN!

                            Pat

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BocaBum99
                              This reminds me of the movie "A Fish Called Wanda." Remember that one?

                              Kevin Klein and John Cleese really make that movie great.

                              Forget a chat room brawl. How about boxing gloves in Las Vegas at the Grand Chateau. Christmas 2006.
                              If you'll pay for the flights and accommodation for myself and my manager (she who must be obeyed) I'll be there.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Beaglemom3
                                Will all parties consider discussing this on a chat forum ? Will the administrators and moderators allow for this ?This would provide real-time exchanges from the main parties as well as those on the sidelines.
                                Everyone has a point that they want to put out there. Both members are fine people from what I know about them over the years. Our differences should not be devisive.
                                B.

                                Al thou I like Jim's idea of a boxing match I think an all out Rumble is in order to clear the air. If anyone wants to set up a time, the chat room is always open.
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