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Brian Rogers is Bill Rogers' son. He is the one who logs in as TUG Improvements! The exclamation point is his (part of his username), not mine.
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Originally posted by mshatty
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Fern Modena
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You Did Not Deserve That Remark.
Dear Fern,Originally posted by Fern
As must as you did to make TUG grow and a great timeshare site a few years back, I was taken back by this remark "...the last little jab in there was unecessary. You did not deserve this remark by Brian Rogers!
Walt
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthr...925#post195925
Re: I had a lot of problems reading posts today...
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Originally Posted by Fern Modena
So I won't bother to report that I couldn't enter the BB till past 2 PM Pacific today. I was going to put this after my statement, but then I realized I am not angry, I'm sad. Sad to see that this situation has been allowed to fester for so very long...Its dragging TUG down...
JMHO, of course.
Fern
This situation does not impact the member only sections of the website or ANY other area in fact....so while I agree with your frustration with this entire situation surrounding the BBS...the last little jab in there was unecessary.
JMHO of course.
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I think that to most TUG members the BBS is TUG. That may technically be a wrong assumption, but I was taught that perception is what matters. At the moment I would suggest that the perception of a large number of members is that the people holding the purse strings at TUG really don't care about the problems.
It's certainly no secret that I have been generally supportive of TUG and think that the visible admins etc have been given an unduly hard time by some members recently. It is quite probably true that none of the paid for elements are affected by the problems, but who is going to pay for membership when the most highly visible part of the system is constantly flat on its back?
I would say that after over 3 months of problems it is way beyond the point at which paid, professional support should have been brought in to sort the problem once and for all.Comment
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TUG is becoming impossible to log into most of the time and once you are there it is hard to go to another page too. It is driving me crazy lately and I made a remark too finally which wasn't very nice. I got a reply pretty fast from TUG Improvements which I did not expect.Originally posted by Fern
I feel they should have a professional get the server up and running. I won't subscribe to TUG again because I don't use the database hardly ever or the sightings or free ads as I have earned four of them so far. They need to take better care of their members.
JMHO.
I am trying to search something now but can't find it and it will not even load half the time. I don't think it was mentioned here but I am looking here too.Comment
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I've always thought the main reason folks are first drawn to TUG is the bulletin board. Heck, that's even where the newspaper and magazine writers land, or are sent by Bill after an interview if they find him first..
Bill Rogers does not feel that the BBS are the main focus of TUG, he feels that its the reviews. I know this for a fact, because as many of you know, I used to be quite involved in TUG. In fact, I was the first administrator of its bulletin board, along with John Cummings. Without the bulletin board, I doubt TUG would have grown as it has.
I think that the bulletin board is not being treated as a business, but rather as if it were somebody's hobby. And that's a shame. I hardly go there any more, in part because it is so difficult to participate these days.
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Perception is reality. Keith, you're spot-on.
Bill is right - people really dig the reviews. Many people seemingly can't make a move without checking the TUG rating (that's the part I find sad). I've seen people write that time and again: "... and I have one browser open on TUG Reviews..." Well, to each his own. Tug isn't the only place to find reviews, but it's the only place I know of where you have to pay to see them. Don't bother to correct me, I don't care where else there are pay reviews
I am not a lot like a 'typical Tugger' so my resort/unit needs aren't too close to what so many Tuggers demand so I don't really care what they rate anything. I go where I please. I haven't been disappointed yet.
Fern, I agree - the bbs tanking all the time is, absolutely, dragging TUG down, and, it is sad. There are a lot of people over there that depend on the community. People ask for help with personal problems, Medical Problems, even! keep the board up to date with happenings in their family, get help with taxes or gardening or home repairs... yada yada.
To me, the sad part is all those who came to depend on the board to unite them with www pals are being prevented from accessing their community. I'm no veteran over there, but it's sad that even a relative newcomer sees that something people once held dear is slipping away. Worse yet, they're letting it happen.
Long live TSF!!
vive la difference!
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Boardgurl ~~ Excellent post ~~~ Do What I Say, Not What I Do! ~Comment
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I promise that the new reviews database that we will be building on here as soon as I can find the time will give all Timeshare owners, users, buyers, and sellers a resource that will be unlike anything you have seen before...
I just don't have enough hours in my life to get all the things done that I would like to do...Comment
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I had suggested in a post on TUG that paying TUG members get priority entrance into the BBS. I felt frustrated when getting the full message that the BBS was at its limit, and no doubt non-paying members were surfing the BBS while paying members were kept outside.
But Fern's explanation of the BBS being seen as a hobby makes things clearer.
I pay to belong to TUG because I appreciate a non-advertising website that has a deep community of ts owners, including reviews. I know free websites like timeshareforums are hard to keep up, because they rely on minimal advertising revenue and huge amounts of volunteer hours.
But when a paid website community doesn't use my funds to keep their BBS running, I wonder where the cash is going!Comment
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Donations are Welcome
It does take a lot of money and time to keep a site like this operations. So for folks that would like to, you may make a donation. It will help keep this site operational in the manner that we want.
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I never expected to be paid for work on TUG any more than I expect to be paid for the bits of admin work I do here or on other sites.Originally posted by katmandu
I have no problem with TUG being a profit making board for Bill Rogers, Roy Rogers or Roger Rabbit
I do believe that Bill Rogers apparent view that the BBS is less important than the Resort Reviews, Adverts etc to be both wrong and short sighted. As I said before I believe it is the BBS that brings people to the board in the first place. If that is inaccessible the entire house of cards is likely to tumble.Comment
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Keitht, you are correct it is the BBS that bring people to a web site and a good run web site will always pay for itself.Comment
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My sentiments exactly.Originally posted by KeithtI never expected to be paid for work on TUG any more than I expect to be paid for the bits of admin work I do here or on other sites.
I have no problem with TUG being a profit making board for Bill Rogers, Roy Rogers or Roger Rabbit
I do believe that Bill Rogers apparent view that the BBS is less important than the Resort Reviews, Adverts etc to be both wrong and short sighted. As I said before I believe it is the BBS that brings people to the board in the first place. If that is inaccessible the entire house of cards is likely to tumble.
To me, the only relevant question is whether the return to me is worth what I pay in time and money. If it iis, I join and participate, If not, I simply spend my time elsewhere. Whether or not Bill or anybody makes a profit or not is irrrelevant. And the same is true for TS4Ms, biddingfortravel, FlyerTalk, or any other web site I visit. There's no need for me to say one is any better or worse than any other; different people are free to reach different conclusions. What works for some doesn't work for all, and that's cool.
For me, the payback at TUG is positive, so I remain involved. I can easily accept that other people find that it's not worth it for them, and choose not to participate.
What I do find aggravating is the intolerance of some people who can't accept that other people might look at the same situation and reach different conclusions based on differeent personal preferences.“Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”
“This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”
“You shouldn't wear that body.”Comment
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Thanks for the prompt to support this site monetarily, riverdees. I just joined, and would recommend that Quarterbore make a "support the site" or "donate" button that is more dominant on the home page.
As far as TUG making money, that's fine with me. But if I can't access a product I believe I paid to access, then I'll start to look elsewhere.Comment
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An example of a once good timeshare BBS is Timesharing Today. Timesharing Today is an excellent magazine. Once upon a time this BBS board had great readership, questions were being asked and readers responsed to the questions and various subjects. There were many topics to this website Fairfield, Marriott, Resort Mgt and so on; now it is down to only one message board. I do not want this to happen to TUG and this web site. Owners of a web site need to stay ahead of the curve and listen to the readers.Comment
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