Interesting Thread Over Yonder... re: Disboard suspension

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

As the discussion generating this thread, and this thread itself, have played out, I have been impressed.

I am surprised by some of the contributors and the sense of a general disdain for punitive measures taken by some Internet message boards. There seems to be an acknowledgement that excessive punitive measures can, in fact, happen.

Maybe I am reading that wrong, as I have not obsessed on every word that has been said, but I sense from the discussion that valued and respected contributors are no longer allowed to contribute on some sites, and that seems to be a surprise and disappointment to some who knew and respected them.

I believe that the freedom to discuss actions taken on one site can be an appropriate topic on other sites, in that those discussions serves as a means of keeping those actions in check. It seems inconsistent that a site that has been intolerant of discussions about them on other sites, appears to be tolerant of a discussion about another site on their site.

Perhaps recent discussions on this site have prompted more tolerance on that site.

Anyone follow that?

In light of current Internet law, there is little else to restrict possible abusive treatment of users of Internet sites, other than the way other users view that treatment. And the only way I can think of to reveal that is to allow a discussion of that somewhere.

The key is to find a way of keeping those discussions themselves in check and to not obsess with them.

I believe a way to do that can be found.

I also hope that those who do not appreciate those discussions, do appreciate the fact that those who have engaged in them on this site have voluntarily curtailed them until this issue can be resolved, and to respect their desire to engage in some form of freedom of speech.

I acknowledge that this is a sensitive issue, and I respect the difficulty that site manangers and owners have with it. It is something that the Internet has to find a way to deal with, or those who, in their infinite wisdom, decide things we cannot decide for ourselves, will.

It is an issue that is bigger than any of us.

[Gracey Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gracey]

Shontell also sold us our Embassy Po`ipu back in 1999. Is she still at the Timeshare Store?

I bought my DVC from Shontell from DVCbyResale.com. I believe she owns it but not 100% sure.

Laurie

[Steamboat Bill Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Steamboat Bill]

I am surprised by some of the contributors and the sense of a general disdain for punitive measures taken by some Internet message boards. There seems to be an acknowledgement that excessive punitive measures can, in fact, happen.

I believe that the freedom to discuss actions taken on one site can be an appropriate topic on other sites, in that those discussions serves as a means of keeping those actions in check. It seems inconsistent that a site that has been intolerant of discussions about them on other sites, appears to be tolerant of a discussion about another site on their site.

JLB: You are very wise.

I never posted anything about my right to free speach as these are PRIVATELY owned forums and they can do whatever they want.

I really only wanted to let people know that I was BANNED from DIS for simply posting about raising rental rates for DVC points. I never used profanity, attacked other members, and was not rude.

The DIS moderators chose to permanently ban me for simply trying to influence the other members to raise there rentals...like I have posted here and at TUG...DVC people are not like the members I see on these boards.

That's ok becaue I already have several new screen names on DIS (if I get banned again) and have continued to post on the DISboards forum.

Therefore, the only thing they did was kill my screen name "Steamboat Bill" and my 400+ point counter.

The BBS world is a virtural world and is NOT the real world. When you DIE in cyberspace, you simply log in as a new user.

I only wish the people that have died serving our country could do the same thing.

[littlestar Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close littlestar]

I bought my DVC from Shontell from DVCbyResale.com. I believe she owns it but not 100% sure.

Laurie

That's what I heard, DVCbyresale.

Her e-mails were nice when we originally inquired about buying DVC resale from her.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

For me, the specifics are really not important. It is the specifics that lose the sympathy of most people, because the same specifics do not apply to a large number of people. Not many people can identify with a particular cause or issue.

What is important is that you got banned because you did something that a very small number of people, perhaps just one, did not want you to do.

It was that small number of people, or individual, who determined your fate. No one sits in judgement of that person as they did in judgement of you, nor did you have a recourse. It is simply that one person's perception of what is right.

A system like that is offensive to mature, educated, professional people, who are not accustomed to being told how to act, what to do, or what to say. Actually, a system like that would also be offensive to young, dumb, unemployed people.

I've been outside making my big aluminum pieces smaller aluminum pieces, which did not occupy much of my thought process. A random thought that came to me is that discussions of this nature are about whether someone should have the right to criticize someone who says their site does not allow personal criticism, when, in fact, those people sit at their computers and criticize people on their private boards and in emails to each other, and then criticize people directly in emails to them.

It all seems hypocritical, that personal criticism is the vehicle of choice to prevent personal criticism.

But, as Mr. Bum said to start this off, these discussions are beneficial. It's nice to get things out in the open and not allow them to fester. We can all learn from each other.

Just babbling, take or it leave it.

JLB: You are very wise.

I really only wanted to let people know that I was BANNED from DIS for simply posting about raising rental rates for DVC points. I never used profanity, attacked other members, and was not rude.

The DIS moderators chose to permanently ban me for simply trying to influence the other members to raise there rentals...like I have posted here and at TUG...DVC people are not like the members I see on these boards.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

JLB: You are very wise.



That's ok becaue I already have several new screen names on DIS (if I get banned again) and have continued to post on the DISboards forum.

Therefore, the only thing they did was kill my screen name "Steamboat Bill" and my 400+ point counter.

The BBS world is a virtural world and is NOT the real world. When you DIE in cyberspace, you simply log in as a new user.

Keep on mind that if you have multiply screen names on this site, they all will be deleted and you will be gone from here as well. We have software in place to detect multiply Ids and we have caught a few trying to use them. 90% of the multiple Ids were removed to just show one.
You agreed when you joined to have one id. If another is required you should have a good reason to have it, If so we may allow it. If not hasta la Vesta Baby.
Sorry but on this site you can not be more than one person and it will be caught as soon as you try to register again.

Besides IMO by being two people that is not showing much of the person. It shows that people are fakes.

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

klynn Fern and littlestar

fear not, even though Gail Hayden is banned from Disboards, the persona is alive and well posting under another "handle/nick" on Disboards....

sorta supports Steamboat Bill's theory that there are ways around bans ( at least on DIS )....with the exception that the "lengendary" status is not nearly as recognized when one posts under a new "handle/nick"

[lawgs Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawgs]

bigfrank

did they get the software working properly now

a while back it produced a "false positive" with respect to my id

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

bigfrank

did they get the software working properly now

a while back it produced a "false positive" with respect to my id

Not sure if you noticed that the site was down last night and today. It looks like we might be going to update once again to the newest software out there.
The double user ID notification system was working great before the last update. Once we updated we received a lot of False information such as your account. We hope with the new software upgrade the problems will be corrected. Right now Ken is working on fixing the problems from yesterday and wondering if it is worth upgrading again since the site will have to be shut off for 2 days.

[Keitht Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Keitht]

Ken is working on fixing the problems from yesterday and wondering if it is worth upgrading again since the site will have to be shut off for 2 days.

2 Days!!!!! I can't last 2 days without my fix of TS4MS. I'll bet even the inmates of Guantanamo don't get treated that cruelly

[Steamboat Bill Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Steamboat Bill]

Sorry but on this site you can not be more than one person and it will be caught as soon as you try to register again.

Frank:

I only have one screen name on this BBS.

However, how would you stop someone that creates an account from their home computer, then create on on a library computer, and then another one at Kinko's?

Does it really matter how many screen names you have? AOL allows 7 names.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

Frank:

I only have one screen name on this BBS.

However, how would you stop someone that creates an account from their home computer, then create on on a library computer, and then another one at Kinko's?

Does it really matter how many screen names you have? AOL allows 7 names.

Bill sooner or later the software will pick it up and alert us when they try to log on from the same computer. It realy only matters if it is a person who has been banned from the site. We will not let a person back in under a new name if they have caused trouble in the past. Besides we rather try to keep this site real and not fake with false Id's.

[gjw007 Member Find all posts View Profile Close gjw007]

I disagree with Steamboat Bill and would use the points for cruises instead of renting. I would also use those five-night stays. DVC still looks like a great way to grab a Marriott or Westin Hawaii week. We only need a one bedroom. I want to rent all of our Hawaii weeks and trade into Hawaii cheaper than using my own weeks. That is my plan.

Cindi;
I'm with you. Use the points as you feel fit. The common logic is also not to use Friday's or Saturday's but I go on vacation for a week at a time, not 5 days and I bought enough points to go for a week. I'm looking at using the points for cruise as well. Although I'm aware of the difference, it isn't worth the time or effort to rent the point. I don't mind transferring but the current limiation of only 1 transfer means I have to find 1 individual who is willing to take all the points. Why play this game when using the points is a sure thing. People also play games with the value of the points but it really is the amortized value of the original purchase plus the maintenance fees. People can play games with lost income to their hearts content in the same way that people can play the game that you losing the latest megamillion dollar lottory when they never had the money to begin with. I also agree that the rooms aren't worth $160 per night but people do pay the rates minus the discounts which still makes them $110 - $125 per night.

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

Gary,
How are people still renting their DVC points on ebay, if only one transfer is allowed per year?

I rented from smw, a seller of DVC rental points on ebay and see he is still doing the same. If Disney is allowing only one transfer, is the renter going to pay in the end? Does this count for rentals to strangers?

I was thinking of buying 250-300 points from Seth, but I know we won't use every point, so we may just go with a smaller package.

[gjw007 Member Find all posts View Profile Close gjw007]

Gary,
How are people still renting their DVC points on ebay, if only one transfer is allowed per year?

I rented from smw, a seller of DVC rental points on ebay and see he is still doing the same. If Disney is allowing only one transfer, is the renter going to pay in the end? Does this count for rentals to strangers?

I was thinking of buying 250-300 points from Seth, but I know we won't use every point, so we may just go with a smaller package.

Cindy;

Renting and transferring are actually two separate actions. I can rent as much as I like, assuming I have the points, but I can only make the one transfer. What had been happening is that people had been getting transferred points in at low rates and then renting them at a higher rate. In effect, they were competing against Disney and by making the reservations, denying the DVC members the ability to make reservation since many of these made reservation during prime periods. With only so many units available, it left fewer units for the DVC owners. The renters would then fill in the rentee's name once they had a renter. These are the type of ads that you see on Ebay.

Renting is actually making the reservations by the DVC owner and making the reservation in the rentee's name. The DVC owner still controls the points and all exchanges must be done by the owner. I can rent to another DVC owner but I can also rent to a non-DVC party. The renter never really sees the points but gets the reservation made by the DVC owner. I would actually be renting the reservation (period of time, unit type, resort, etc.) but it takes so many points to make the reservation and the payment is based on the number of points that is required for that reservation. As such, it is easy to think of renting the points necessary to make the reservation.

Transferring points is different. When I transfer points, I give up control of the points and the person that I transfer the points to now has control and can make the reservation themselves. When transferred, the points are now in the other DVC members account and would no longer be in the account transferred from. To transfer points, you must be another DVC owner.

The terms get confusing sometimes because when transferring, some consider this the same as renting as they are not using the points and receive payment by another party who will then use the points. When transferring, the owner is not giving up the ownership of his membership but only those specific points are transferred out of the account and into another DVC owner's account.

If I can get unlimited amounts of points transferred into my account, I can then make multiple reservations and make a tidy profit. But by limiting the number of points that are in my account, I can only make reservations for the number of points that I actually own and from 1 transfer. This would limit the number of points (reservations) that I can make. In theory, this should free up some units for DVC members and have less available for renting.

Oh, to make more sense of this, it is important to recognize that DVC has a limit on the number of points that you can own. I think the total is 5,000 among all the resorts. I read something on the disboards where somebody had used around 100,000 points during a year for renting purposes. If so, they had a lot of transfers. Here is a thread on some of this information. http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1204087

Does this make sense?