Why do people post here, rather than TUG?

[Amanda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Amanda]

i'm just glad i found this site first! i never really felt the need to get more info/opinions/advice on ts's than that which i get here

thanks ALL!!!!!

[calgal Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close calgal]

I log onto both Tug and this site a couple of times a day. What attracts me most to this site are the features that are uniquely here, like ask SFX and the Grand Pacific Resorts forum. Tug is where I got my timeshare education, so it still feels like "home" to me.

[TomandRobin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TomandRobin]

Just found this board today. I like Tug, I also use the DisBoards. I think having multiple perspectives is good.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

I love both TUG and TS4Ms. Over the past 6 months, I think I've moved from about 99/1 to 50/50 to 40/60 in favor of TS4Ms. Why is that? I think it's because BigFrank reached out to me and asked me to help contribute. He let me create a couple of forums and I really started liking that work.

In addition, Ken keeps innovating the site. He adds new features and new capabilities that keeps it interesting. I am amazed at how much he is putting into the site.

The people who hang out here have become good friends to me. More so than on TUG since there are so many people there. For some reason, probably due to size, it's easier for me to make friends here.

Since TUGs user base is so large, when I have a question that requires a broad based answer, I tend to go to TUG first.

But, I've found that on certain threads, this site gets a lot more action. I'm not sure why. So, it makes sense to use both. The user base are common, but distinct.

The photo server and the sightings are terrific. So are the relationships with the independents. I used to like the Political forum, but I've found that less important to me over time. Politics creates enemies and timesharing is about making friends.

I do feel that TUG has gone too far in the direction of "be courteous" for its own good. As a result, I tend to stay out of controversial discussions there for fear of being edited or banned. So, I tend to post and respond to more controversial topics on this site.

This site has reached critical mass. It will continue to be successful because of it. Now, we just need to decide how successful we want it to be. The sky is the limit.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

I think it's because BigFrank reached out to me and asked me to help contribute. He let me create a couple of forums and I really started liking that work. ...

Frank encourage me to join, too. But then I figured, why would I want to join a site that would let me be a member???

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...He let me create a couple of forums and I really started liking that work.

...In addition, Ken keeps innovating the site. He adds new features and new capabilities that keeps it interesting. I am amazed at how much he is putting into the site.
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I do feel that TUG has gone too far in the direction of "be courteous" for its own good. As a result, I tend to stay out of controversial discussions there for fear of being edited or banned. ...

It was requested a time or two that a Bluegreen forum be added on Tug and I forget if I ever got a response or it was NO. Others had also asked for it. So, I started adding to every request for BG info "join us on the Yahoo Group". The BG forum was well overdue and it was wise to start one over here and I get a huge kick from your tagline on Tug with the link to it.

Now people are asking for other forums over there and so far it almost sounds like they'll do it, just to add something people want instead of dragging their feet or explaining why it can't be done, yada yada. Over here, shoot, all you could want and more, not added after months of griping, but out of a desire to build something great BEFORE YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT! And it keeps on improving.

I've been edited and warned and deleted on Tug. I mean, I'm pretty sedate and docile so I laughed out loud the first time I got a "warning post" after someone attacked me! I was reasonably polite in my defense, but apparently one of The Favored Ones was the Attacker, so I was automatically in the wrong - that's the kind of BS I can do without and have evermore ignored posts from that person and lost a lot of respect for that mod.

I put in one too many Hells or Damns in one and was SHOCKED that I was deleted for profanity. I didn't call someone a bitch or tell someone to kiss my ass, but, ok, for the overly sensitive, I can see how Hell or Damn would make me foul-mouthed. But it's not like I let fly with a string of expletives - that would be inappropriate.

It's just easier to be here and not have to watch every last word or be careful who I'm debating with in case I accidentally lock horns with One Of The Faves.

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I put in one too many Hells or Damns in one and was SHOCKED that I was deleted for profanity. I didn't call someone a bitch or tell someone to kiss my ass, but, ok, for the overly sensitive, I can see how Hell or Damn would make me foul-mouthed.

[mshatty Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close mshatty]

Frank encourage me to join, too. But then I figured, why would I want to join a site that would let me be a member???

Steve,

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[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I think the comments about TUG being so much bigger, and that accounting for some of the discontent, or being used as a reason for more severe moderating because it might run amuk (to use a current word) if that was not the case, or being used as an excuse for it being harder to make friends there, is misleading, perhaps just pure balderdash.

The number of active users and the actual number of posts is relatively the same for both of these sites. I think either of these two sites would be run just the way they are, or would be just as friendly or unfriendly, because of the makeup of those running them and those using them, regardless of size (barring some unforeseen event, like the return of the damned).

Neither is like the 100,000-plus size of disboard. Neither is like the extreme protectionism and hatefulness I experienced on the legal board at freeadvice. Neither needs to have behavior cops sitting on every word being posted.

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[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

I think the comments about TUG being so much bigger, and that accounting for some of the discontent, or being used as a reason for more severe moderating because it might run amuk (to use a current word) if that was not the case, or being used as an excuse for it being harder to make friends there, is misleading, perhaps just pure balderdash.

The number of active users and the actual number of posts is relatively the same for both of these sites. I think either of these two sites would be run just the way they are, or would be just as friendly or unfriendly, because of the makeup of those running them and those using them, regardless of size (barring some unforeseen event, like the return of the damned).

Neither is like the 100,000-plus size of disboard. Neither is like the extreme protectionism and hatefulness I experienced on the legal board at freeadvice. Neither needs to have behavior cops sitting on every word being posted.

The only thing that should be classified as balderdash is your articulation of the facts. TUG has 13982 Registered users and 3998 active users. TS4Ms is growing fast, but it only has 1999 Registered users and 482 Active users.
So, TUG is approximately an order of magnitude larger than TS4Ms. I am pretty sure that the much difference is NOT "relatively the same" in very many people's book.

Many people choose Universities and even resorts based on size. I went to a University with 30,000 students. Others have attended Universities of 3,000 and found it to be much friendlier than the larger ones with over 20,000 students. And, many on this board, including you, have suggested that larger resorts like Orange Lake tend to be less friendly than the smaller resorts. So, size does appear to be correlated to a friendliness factor to many. The same is true of TS4Ms and TUG. If you read through this thread, that theme does appear more than once. So, just because you think it may be balderdash, it doesn't make it so.

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Neither is like the 100,000-plus size of disboard. Neither is like the extreme protectionism and hatefulness I experienced on the legal board at freeadvice. Neither needs to have behavior cops sitting on every word being posted.

I have avoided posting on this thread as I do not want to offend any bbs, because I think they all serve a great purpose.

I have been involved with computers and bbs since 1982 with my Apple computer and 300 baud dialup modem that you could read the text as it filled up the monochrome green screen.

Wow...cable modems, DLS, Windows, and browsers have certanly changed the speed, but the actual experience is 100% the same.

I used to like DIS the best, but was banned for posting my opinion on rental rates. I am still a little pissed about that as I was an active poster for many years. I am now a LURKER on that site, until I reveal ny new identity. I still hope to resurrect my Steamboat Bill screen name.

I found TUG next as I began to research Westgate and Marriott TS properties. I find they get 4 pages of new posts per 24 hour period. I don't read many of them as they do not apply to me, but there are a few posters I really respect (PerryM, BocaBum99, etc).

BocaBum99 turned me on to TS4MS and I like this just as much as the others, but find less new posts per 24 hr peroid. That is not good or bad news, as I find some great topics here that I find nowhere else.

I am sure there are a ton of other bbs out there, but I am really enjoying the TS experience and these boards are making me (and you) better informed customers.

I am SOOOO Happy with the info I learned here and other bbs that I find I want to get involved in posting information I can share with others.

Thus, there is no best bbs (just like there is no best TS), they all are good, it just depends on where you want to hang out.

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Balderdash?

Perhaps your misstating of my statement, "The number of active users and the actual number of posts is relatively the same for both of these sites."

Obviously, I was referring to the number of regulars, those you expect to see almost every day at either site. Those whom you get to know and develop a relationship with. There is not a great astronomical difference between the two sites in that regard.

Sure, one is a little busier than the other, but that difference has been decreasing rapidly. And one is not so much busier that it is mandatory that it be strict and unfriendly.

In reality, both are relatively small sites compared to the monstor message boards. When you see users with 50,000 or more posts, and several of them . . . .

You are also twisting other words of mine, like substituting less friendly for less intimate when it comes to the size of resorts. If you can produce a post where I have referred to an Orlando vacation mill mega-resort as less friendly, then I'll retract this. I say stuff like they are less intimate and things fall through the cracks, stuff like guest services, housecleaning and maintenance, and that is because of their size, IMO. I have said they are crowded and you have to wait in line for stuff. But I don't recall that I have ever said they are unfriendly, or that they have to have behavior cops because they are so big.

I don't know what universities have to do with any of this discussion. I went to a university of over 20,000 and never met one person there as unfriendly, biased, or as hateful as . . . you can finish it since you are so good with my words.

On the other hand, I live in a neighborhood of nine houses, with just six fulltime residences. All but two of them are total ---holes. Again, back to my balderdash point that size has anything to do with being unfriendly. It's who makes up the group, not the size of it, that makes the difference.

You know that's the point I was making. The same one others are making, that the people here are friendlier.

Just because you don't think my notion is balderdash doesn't make it not balderdash, by the same faulty logic you are employing against my notion. It's just two opinions.

Surely you are not suggesting that both sites being discussed are equally friendly, warm and cuddly! Or that one of them has to be unfriendly, for any reason, while the other doesn't, for any reason.

I might add that your relative newness to the scene precludes you from a lot of history, the type you would have to experience to appreciate.

FWIW, as I have said a jillion times, is it not many people that make the unfriendlier place unfriendly. Actually, in sheer numbers, I have many more of what I consider good friends from the place I consider to be less friendly, because a very small few make it that way for me.

I find it interesting that those who have made it an effort to make it difficult for me here are the same ones who make it difficult for me there, while I have not sensed that from any who are solely or primarily here.

I believe that if you eliminate a very small number of people, but ones strategically placed, this discussion and the others like it would cease to exist.

Can I be any clearer?

The only thing that should be classified as balderdash is your articulation of the facts. TUG has 13982 Registered users and 3998 active users. TS4Ms is growing fast, but it only has 1999 Registered users and 482 Active users.
So, TUG is approximately an order of magnitude larger than TS4Ms. I am pretty sure that the much difference is NOT "relatively the same" in very many people's book.

Many people choose Universities and even resorts based on size. I went to a University with 30,000 students. Others have attended Universities of 3,000 and found it to be much friendlier than the larger ones with over 20,000 students. And, many on this board, including you, have suggested that larger resorts like Orange Lake tend to be less friendly than the smaller resorts. So, size does appear to be correlated to a friendliness factor to many. The same is true of TS4Ms and TUG. If you read through this thread, that theme does appear more than once. So, just because you think it may be balderdash, it doesn't make it so.

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