Why Does TUG Allow Misinformation From RCI On Their Website?

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

These Questions are for Brian. But I would also like everyone's Input.


Do you and TUG really believe these RCI Statements?

And, all of the weeks in RCI's rental inventory are offered to members at a significant discount off the price charged to the general public.

Significant Discount Off the Price Charged to the General Public. - TUG Bulletin Board

Yes or No.

"I can assure you that ALL of the weeks deposited by RCI Weeks members for exchange are available exclusively for exchange unless and until they fall within the "marketable inventory" category (at which point they are still available for exchange), which refers to weeks that members historically simply do not want or use."

Yes or No.



Ask RCI - Frequently Asked Questions

All of these weeks in RCI's rental inventory are first made available to RCI members for rental, by virtue of your ability to make a pending request. If you have a pending request for a week, and you don't have trading power for it, or there's nothing in the inventory when you make your request, and then that week gets deposited at a later date, or goes unrequested by those members who do have the trading power, it is claimed from the system before it is placed in the rental pool. And, all of the weeks in RCI's rental inventory are offered to members at a significant discount off the price charged to the general public.

"I can assure you that ALL of the weeks deposited by RCI Weeks members for exchange are available exclusively for exchange unless and until they fall within the "marketable inventory" category (at which point they are still available for exchange), which refers to weeks that members historically simply do not want or use."

A Generally-Comments from a Vice President, RCI


Do you really believe that RCI is not renting spacebank weeks deposited in good faith for others to exchange into?

Yes or No.

I think my post to Madge shows that RCI used the Embassy's bulk spacebanking for their own profit by renting them instead of putting them into the Exchange Pool.

Walt

Embassy March April May 2006 Marketable Inventory? - TUG Bulletin Board

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Your questions are like asking a stranger if he thinks his kid is ugly. Never mind that you already asked the opinion of 1000 objective observers and 958 of them said, "yeah, definitely ugly."

That dad says stuff like, "oh, I really love my kid." "My kid is really talented." "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

And, you keep pressing and pressing and pressing. You accuse him of spinning. You accuse him of being dishonest. You accuse him of lying. You say "why can't you just admit that your kid is ugly when everyone in the free world knows it?" But, he never says those words.

But, you already know the answer. So, just what purpose does your incessant questioning seek to achieve? Could it be humiliation?

Madge is on TUG to answer questions that she can. It would be very easy for RCI to say, "forget it, this isn't worth it anymore." We are not getting anything out of this work. Let's can our participation.

If there is "spin" or "erroneous information" being shared, those opinions can be posted elsewhere in a different forum. Your free speech can be expressed here and to a limited extent on the exchange forum.

If I were RCI, I would just pull out of TUG.

I say this and I hate RCI.

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

different angle:

Tug does not verify the truthfulness of any post, so why would they put themselves in charge of making sure Madge's responses are consistent with RCI operational policy?

Not gonna happen. They aren't content cops, they merely provide a place for the content to exist.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

The purpose is being honest!

Your questions are like asking a stranger if he thinks his kid is ugly. Never mind that you already asked the opinion of 1000 objective observers and 958 of them said, "yeah, definitely ugly."

That dad says stuff like, "oh, I really love my kid." "My kid is really talented." "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

And, you keep pressing and pressing and pressing. You accuse him of spinning. You accuse him of being dishonest. You accuse him of lying. You say "why can't you just admit that your kid is ugly when everyone in the free world knows it?" But, he never says those words.

But, you already know the answer. So, just what purpose does your incessant questioning seek to achieve? Could it be humiliation?

Madge is on TUG to answer questions that she can. It would be very easy for RCI to say, "forget it, this isn't worth it anymore." We are not getting anything out of this work. Let's can our participation.

If there is "spin" or "erroneous information" being shared, those opinions can be posted elsewhere in a different forum. Your free speech can be expressed here and to a limited extent on the exchange forum.

If I were RCI, I would just pull out of TUG.

I say this and I hate RCI.

The Reason for this thread is TUG being honest with the timeshare buying public.

You and I may know the answers. But does a person new to timesharing?

If a person comes across TUG's website for the first time, he or she will see on the top heading the word "Advice." When they hit Advice, it brings them to a page that list Exchanging and under Exchanging they list "Ask RCI" Frequently Asked Questions.

That person may be thinking, "Since this forum is for helping Timeshare owners, whatever is written here must be true."

Important: TUG Advice Page disclaimer statement. Please Read!

The Timeshare Users Group (TUG) makes no representations or warranties with respect to the content or use of the information contained in the TUG advice pages. TUG makes no representations with respect accuracy therein. The Timeshare Users Group, shall not be liable for any damage or loss of any type arising from such use or content of information obtained here. TUG reserves the right to remove or modify any listings on these pages.


If TUG believe the Statements in "Ask RCI" Frequently Asked Questions" are not true, they should be honest enough to modify the page.

Walt

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

Madge's position on the thread, by itself, implies expertise on the subject matter. She is responsible for its content. If an error is made, then it is incumbent upon her to publicly rectify it and offer credible information.
Simple.
It's not brain surgery or rocket science. She has a list of RCI protocols and procedural information, hopefully, somewhere, to which she refers to for answers. She has done this long enough to have gained a knowledge base and skill set.
Hopefully, the answers are not just pulled out of her head or elsewhere.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Tips and Advice from Timeshare Experts

Madge's position on the thread, by itself, implies expertise on the subject matter. She is responsible for its content. If an error is made, then it is incumbent upon her to publicly rectify it and offer credible information.
Simple.
It's not brain surgery or rocket science. She has a list of RCI protocols and procedural information, hopefully, somewhere, to which she refers to for answers. She has done this long enough to have gained a knowledge base and skill set.
Hopefully, the answers are not just pulled out of her head or elsewhere.

I don't expect to have TUG modifiy any of Madge post on Ask RCI.

I am asking them to modify any page on Tips and Advice from Timeshare Experts that TUG feels needs to be modify.

As I understand it, TUG put together this page. RCI did not write it. If TUG wrote it then Tug has the right to modify anything they feel is false or misleading.

Walt

Ask RCI - Frequently Asked Questions


Timeshare Advice & Tips

[TUGBRIAN Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TUGBRIAN]

absolutely...be happy to.

Anything you wish to edit or change email to tug@tug2.net. If it is a valid change then I will gladly edit it.

Although in the future...I would request that you email your questions or concerns relating TUG or the TUGBBS to me directly....as starting these TUG policy threads on another forum is a tad unorthodox.

I also do not have time to read this board constantly (obviously the last few days activities have required me to make time...but it is a one time event).

So please do not expect me to monitor this board for requests or questions relating to TUG.

[Keitht Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Keitht]

Maybe we need a new forum "Slag off TUG and/or RCI" as that would seem to be the only purpose being served in this and the previous TUG/RCI related topics.
Maybe I should start a new topic "Why does TS4Ms allow members to slag off other boards?". I seem to remember Ken saying some months ago that he wouldn't permit topics whose only aim was to denigrate other boards in general or their moderators to continue. Am I wrong in my recollections or has the policy here changed?
I can't believe that this kind of topic will help this site be viewed in a positive light by potential new members.

[Glitter Brunello Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Glitter Brunello]

absolutely...be happy to.

Anything you wish to edit or change email to tug@tug2.net. If it is a valid change then I will gladly edit it.

Although in the future...I would request that you email your questions or concerns relating TUG or the TUGBBS to me directly....as starting these TUG policy threads on another forum is a tad unorthodox.

I also do not have time to read this board constantly (obviously the last few days activities have required me to make time...but it is a one time event).

So please do not expect me to monitor this board for requests or questions relating to TUG.

I have been trying to avoid these threads, but having read this, Brian is making what seems to me to be a valid point and a perfectly reasonable request.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

different angle:

Tug does not verify the truthfulness of any post, so why would they put themselves in charge of making sure Madge's responses are consistent with RCI operational policy?

Not gonna happen. They aren't content cops, they merely provide a place for the content to exist.

I completely agree.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

Maybe we need a new forum "Slag off TUG and/or RCI" as that would seem to be the only purpose being served in this and the previous TUG/RCI related topics.
Maybe I should start a new topic "Why does TS4Ms allow members to slag off other boards?". I seem to remember Ken saying some months ago that he wouldn't permit topics whose only aim was to denigrate other boards in general or their moderators to continue. Am I wrong in my recollections or has the policy here changed?
I can't believe that this kind of topic will help this site be viewed in a positive light by potential new members.

We allow open discussions here and we hope that since Brian is responding some good will happen. We do not allow Tug bashing and I do not see that here. I do see that right now members of both forums are trying to work this out so maybe some good will occur.

[thv13 Member Find all posts View Profile Close thv13]

I believe Brian's request very reasonable and hope we are all respectful of all on all boards. I belong to both(among others) and there is a wealth of info on TUG not available here. It is very useful as to reviews and etc and I appreciate the info and forums on TUG. I actually am lurking here more but certainly appreciate the info provided by Madge and she has actually helped resolve a problem for me and I am grateful for that....Tom

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Thank You For This Post!

absolutely...be happy to.

Anything you wish to edit or change email to tug@tug2.net. If it is a valid change then I will gladly edit it.

Although in the future...I would request that you email your questions or concerns relating TUG or the TUGBBS to me directly....as starting these TUG policy threads on another forum is a tad unorthodox.

I also do not have time to read this board constantly (obviously the last few days activities have required me to make time...but it is a one time event).

So please do not expect me to monitor this board for requests or questions relating to TUG.

Thank you for responding in a positive manner.

Walt

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

The Reason for this thread is TUG being honest with the timeshare buying public.

You and I may know the answers. But does a person new to timesharing?

If a person comes across TUG's website for the first time, he or she will see on the top heading the word "Advice." When they hit Advice, it brings them to a page that list Exchanging and under Exchanging they list "Ask RCI" Frequently Asked Questions.

That person may be thinking, "Since this forum is for helping Timeshare owners, whatever is written here must be true."

Important: TUG Advice Page disclaimer statement. Please Read!

The Timeshare Users Group (TUG) makes no representations or warranties with respect to the content or use of the information contained in the TUG advice pages. TUG makes no representations with respect accuracy therein. The Timeshare Users Group, shall not be liable for any damage or loss of any type arising from such use or content of information obtained here. TUG reserves the right to remove or modify any listings on these pages.


If TUG believe the Statements in "Ask RCI" Frequently Asked Questions" are not true, they should be honest enough to modify the page.

Walt

Are you actually implying that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead newbie timesharers?

Given Brian's post on this thread, I must ask. Did you make this request of Brian and he rejected it? If so, I can understand why you would want to notify us here. But if you didn't make this request, why not?

An alternate explanation could be that TUG doesn't review all of its content all the time and it got out of date. Nobody noticed it until you did. TUG is willing to update it, but nobody pointed it out to them. Had you notified them, they would have done it. Instead, we need to go through a thread insinuating that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead timesharers. I think that does a disservice to TS4Ms. It makes objective observers believe we have a lot of TUG bashers on this site.

I find that conspiracy theory to be puzzling. What did TUG do to you to force you into this type of action?

Personally, I have been banned on TUG for a week last year. I admit it. I deserved it. I was warned repeatedly about the rules. TUG admins and moderators gave me ample opportunities to change the way I was posting and I didn't. So, they banned me.

Since then, I have changed the way I post and I don't get edited or warned much anymore. I find TUG to be very consistent in application of their moderation rules. "Be Courteous" are the key words. When you violate the collegial posting style that they prefer, you will get edited, warned and banned if it continues. That's the way it is on TUG. It's their board and they have the right to enforce that code of conduct.

Here, on the other hand, you don't have to be as collegial. Although, most tend to be so. Even the political board is getting a bit more tame than it's been (I know there are some dicey posts, but you've got to admit, it's been worse. lol.).

The last point I want to make is that I don't want this thread to be closed or the discussion and debate to stop. So, I hope nobody accuses me of wanting to cover up dirty laundry. Whatever opinion you have, you are entitled to it. The funny thing about free speech is that once you go on the record with your beliefs, you subject yourself to the free speech of others who don't agree with you.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

An alternate explanation could be that TUG doesn't review all of its content all the time and it got out of date. Nobody noticed it until you did. TUG is willing to update it, but nobody pointed it out to them. Had you notified them, they would have done it. Instead, we need to go through a thread insinuating that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead timesharers. I think that does a disservice to TS4Ms. It makes objective observers believe we have a lot of TUG bashers on this site.

Since I am one of the TUG Volunteers responsible for maintaining the Advice pages, I will echo this comment. We monitor new content, turn down some submittals (usually because they are thinly disguised promotional pieces for someone in the timeshare industry or they simply repeat other information already posted.) We don't routinely review information posted for accuracy, but we will correct problems as they occur.

Since any comments about the content in the Advice area would be directed to me and Mark Perry, with directions for one of us to handle the situation, I can state with some authority that no one has ever indicated there are errors in the "Ask TUG" article that need to be corrected.