Why Does TUG Allow Misinformation From RCI On Their Website?

[TUGBRIAN Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TUGBRIAN]

I will also confirm that this is the first request of this sort regarding that article that I have ever seen.

I personally answer every email sent to tug@tug2.net and I am not in the business of ignoring any users requests to update invalid/outdated or inaccurate information.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Yes I Did....but It Wasn't To Brian!

Are you actually implying that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead newbie timesharers?

Given Brian's post on this thread, I must ask. Did you make this request of Brian and he rejected it? If so, I can understand why you would want to notify us here. But if you didn't make this request, why not?

An alternate explanation could be that TUG doesn't review all of its content all the time and it got out of date. Nobody noticed it until you did. TUG is willing to update it, but nobody pointed it out to them. Had you notified them, they would have done it. Instead, we need to go through a thread insinuating that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead timesharers. I think that does a disservice to TS4Ms. It makes objective observers believe we have a lot of TUG bashers on this site.

I find that conspiracy theory to be puzzling. What did TUG do to you to force you into this type of action?

Personally, I have been banned on TUG for a week last year. I admit it. I deserved it. I was warned repeatedly about the rules. TUG admins and moderators gave me ample opportunities to change the way I was posting and I didn't. So, they banned me.

Since then, I have changed the way I post and I don't get edited or warned much anymore. I find TUG to be very consistent in application of their moderation rules. "Be Courteous" are the key words. When you violate the collegial posting style that they prefer, you will get edited, warned and banned if it continues. That's the way it is on TUG. It's their board and they have the right to enforce that code of conduct.

Here, on the other hand, you don't have to be as collegial. Although, most tend to be so. Even the political board is getting a bit more tame than it's been (I know there are some dicey posts, but you've got to admit, it's been worse. lol.).

The last point I want to make is that I don't want this thread to be closed or the discussion and debate to stop. So, I hope nobody accuses me of wanting to cover up dirty laundry. Whatever opinion you have, you are entitled to it. The funny thing about free speech is that once you go on the record with your beliefs, you subject yourself to the free speech of others who don't agree with you.

Until today, I did not even know who Brian is. After Madge, wrote her replies to me I asked TUG to correct this page. I rather not say who I asked but let us just say it was not a positive answer. There was no reason given why they would not even look into it. I never said that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead newbie timesharers? Do not put words into my mouth.

Walt

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Gone golfing.

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I have gortten a ton of Emails most because of these recent threads. I am letting you guys know that It's not that I am avoiding answering. I just can't reply!

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I am sure in a day or two you will get the email that I sent out today once they fix the no socket error, I hope .

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Until today, I did not even know who Brian is. After Madge, wrote her replies to me I asked TUG to correct this page. I rather not say who I asked but let us just say it was not a positive answer. There was no reason given why they would not even look into it. I never said that TUG is conspiring with RCI to mislead newbie timesharers? Do not put words into my mouth.
Walt

I did NOT put words in your mouth. I asked you several clarifying questions to give you an opportunity to further explain yourself. You didn't answer the question, but you did provide illuminating information.

In your latest response, the truth comes out. You have an issue with a moderator or admin on TUG and you started this thread to prove it was a mistake to not listen to or act on your advice. Why didn't you just say that as part of your original post?

Isn't that the root cause of these debates about TUG? Some of us just don't like the moderators and admins of TUG due to what they perceive as unfair and/or uneven censorship. Isn't that really it?

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Wrong

I did NOT put words in your mouth. I asked you several clarifying questions to give you an opportunity to further explain yourself. You didn't answer the question, but you did provide illuminating information.

In your latest response, the truth comes out. You have an issue with a moderator or admin on TUG and you started this thread to prove it was a mistake to not listen to or act on your advice. Why didn't you just say that as part of your original post?

Isn't that the root cause of these debates about TUG? Some of us just don't like the moderators and admins of TUG due to what they perceive as unfair and/or uneven censorship. Isn't that really it?

I asked Madge the question in November 2005. Madge's final remark was Jan. 18, 2006.

Why would I bring this up now? That's over a year ago. Show me were I have ever said anything Bad about TUG on Timeshare Forums.


Walt

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Show me were I have ever said anything Bad about TUG on Timeshare Forums.


Walt

Walt I don't think I ever heard a bad remark about anything from you other than a few Football shit my team lost remarks. If I am not mistaken Walt don't you now moderate on Tug as well as here? I could have sworn I saw your name there as a Mod.

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Are you sure you were banned for something said here???

That may be true, that open discussions are allowed here, but, for a warning from the not-so-wise, discussions here are subject to Moderation by TUG, even though TS4Ms is a separate site, and discipline is meted out by TUG for comments made here.

Very sad.

http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...-status-8.html

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

I don't expect to have TUG modifiy any of Madge post on Ask RCI.

I am asking them to modify any page on Tips and Advice from Timeshare Experts that TUG feels needs to be modify.

As I understand it, TUG put together this page. RCI did not write it. If TUG wrote it then Tug has the right to modify anything they feel is false or misleading.

Walt

Ask RCI - Frequently Asked Questions
Walt,

Timeshare Advice & Tips

I never once mentioned Tug, just Madge & RCI.
B

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Gone golfing.

[grest Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close grest]

I don't get it...why just not avoid tug completely, especially Marge's comments, if you find the comments misleading and so terribly disconcerting...
Connie

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

I asked Madge the question in November 2005. Madge's final remark was Jan. 18, 2006.

Why would I bring this up now? That's over a year ago. Show me were I have ever said anything Bad about TUG on Timeshare Forums.


Walt

Come on Walt. That's the answer xxxx would give to TUG moderators when confronted with her Orange Lake posts. This is not TUG.

What is the real reason you posted this thread? What are you really trying to find out? What are you really trying to accomplish?

Maybe I have it wrong, but I don't believe it was to correct the misinformation on TUG about RCI. xxx has already agreed to fix that. And, to solve that problem would have been trivial to accomplish. I believe that under any TUG regime I have engaged. There is something more that you aren't saying. And, what you have said already suggests what I concluded. If I have it wrong, please correct my logic.

For contrast, here is another post on TUG about outdated HGVC information just posted today. Take note of the tone of the message and the responses that followed on. That is the posting style of someone who is just trying to find out the correct information:

HGVC Owners Web Site information dated

That title suggests inaccurate information.

Why Does TUG Allow Misinformation From RCI On Their Website? Reply to Thread

That suggests TUG has an intent of providing misinformation. That intent can be an innocent oversight or a proactive decision. Once you said that you did ask and it wasn't updated, one can only conclude that you believe it is a proactive decision. A proactive decision to propagate misinformation and if it is related to RCI who is also, according to you, then propagating misinformation suggests a conspiracy to provide misinformation about RCI policies. If that's not true, please inform us of what it does suggest?

Do you or do you not believe it? If you do not believe it. Please fit the facts with your true beliefs because it is not adding up for me right now.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

That suggests TUG has an intent of providing misinformation. That intent can be an innocent oversight or a proactive decision. Once you said that you did ask and it wasn't updated, one can only conclude that you believe it is a proactive decision. A proactive decision to propagate misinformation and if it is related to RCI who is also, according to you, then propagating misinformation suggests a conspiracy to provide misinformation about RCI policies. If that's not true, please inform us of what it does suggest?

Do you or do you not believe it? If you do not believe it. Please fit the facts with your true beliefs because it is not adding up for me right now.

Personally, I read it as an insinuation that xxx and I aren't doing our jobs at TUG.

[Keitht Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Keitht]

Irrespective of the site involved, it is very easy for information to become outdated or for inaccurate information to be posted in good faith. I would defy anybody to come up with a site that doesn't have any inaccurate information on it.
No moderator / administrator (call 'em what you will) can possibly have a handle on every post on a board. I know I appreciate it if people bring factual errors to my notice so that they can be addressed. If I don't know that something is wrong, and if I don't have intimate knowledge of a subject it's possible it wouldn't be apparent even when read, I can't correct it.
The fact that information is incorrect doesn't mean that it has been put that way deliberately. There isn't necessarily a conspiracy going on. People are fallible, so give 'em a break.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

I'm Sorry About That

Personally, I read it as an insinuation that Mark and I aren't doing our jobs at TUG.

Hi Steve,

I'm sorry I did not know I should have contacted you. I did contact someone, which I will not name in public, and that person was not about to even look into the FAQ:ASK RCI page.

You have always been someone that willing to help another member and for that I thank You

Again I'm sorry that it looked that way to you. See your PM for more information.

Walt