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[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Gone fishing.

[WanderLust Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close WanderLust]

Interesting comments. I read xxx's latest reply and did not see the implication that xxx was the one behaving wrongly.

What I read was that she disagreed with xxx's conclusion after stating: "I have learned that people are either inherently good, with strong character, motivated by what is right regardless of the personal consequences, or they are inherently bad, with weak character, and tend to go with the flow, to fit in to not be targeted. (Social creatures that we are!)."

The conclusion was "I also believe that each of us can't determine or change which we are..."

My interpretation of xxx's statement and conclusion is that some people are born either good or bad and that one can not change the happenstance of our birth in terms of good or bad. I realize that this is the internet. I doubt if xxx's statement and conclusion was meant for me to come to my own interpretation.

I apologize in advance for interpreting what xxx said and what xxx said.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Not speaking for Jim, but what I took away from his thoughts are that we are born with a certain type of in-born nature which is, by way of natural law, hard to change with any permanence. You can see it in hospitalized patients all the time with regard to pain threshold, stages of loss, etc.
Some folks are terse, some are shy, some are gregarious, some cautious, some inflammatory, devisive, concillatory, stoic, etc.

No cause for debate. A nice discussion this makes as it's just a view on life, agree or not.

I agree that we can't change our fundamental personalities. We are who we are. That's true.

What we can change is what we do, how we react to certain situations and our attitude.

If we find that certain things keep happening to us, it's time to do an assessment of why it is happening. If there is anything we are doing that causes a certain outcome, then we need to make an active choice. We either need to continue to do that thing and fully accept the outcome that results. Or, we need to do something different so that the outcome changes as well. Either way, we are in control of our own destiny.

A victim who tries many different ways to change a situation and bad things still happen to them is a victim. A victim who repeats their mistakes without changing is a whiner. A victim who refuses to be victimized is a hero. My motto is "be a hero."

[Chap7 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Chap7]

Don't know about all that inherently good or bad stuff, but I do believe that there are some who will always play the role of innocent victim and those that refuse to. It's just a matter of choice.

[Chap7 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Chap7]

Jim, I was typing my reply at the same time as you were. You just beat me to it. Funny how we had similar thought at the same time.

[Fern Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fern]

I'm only going to respond to this thread once, cause I don't have the time or inclination to get into a long he said/she said. You made a comment on people's character, and I posted a response with my feelings on the subject. This is your response. I didn't name call, engage in character assasination, etc., but you felt the need to for some reason.

Here is the same natural lining up, side-taking, going on as the last 3-5 years, xxx because she thinks I'm wrong and always has been, because she was once, personally, in xxxs position, and me thinking I'm right, because for the past five years there has always been the same type of person in xxx's position, taking exactly the same stance, authoritarian and unprofessional, whether it was xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, or xxx.

Its true that I was once the administrator of TUG's BBS. If you want to get things right, I was the person who started the TUG BBS back in the mid 1990's. It was the successor to a Timeshare Topic on Prodigy's travel board which I also ran. Lawrence Chan did the coding for TUG's BBS and I was the original moderator.

Some think I have something against TUG. I would suggest that I and that others who were targeted years ago, and continue to be, have nothing against the organization while at the same time have a lot against the very small group of indiviuals responsbile for the targeting.

They have just handed down to each other, and reinforced each other for their own benefit, to the detriment of the rest of their customers, who have been denied the knowledge and experience of quite a lot of TS people who would contirbute if it wasn't for the BS of a few in charge of the place.

I agree that you have a lot to offer. That's never been in doubt.

Those who have been close to this know that for several years those in charge OY has had a list of users that they hold to a different, very strict, virtual-kiss-my-@$$-or-you-are-toast set of standards. Those in charge have consistently had problems in the way they have dealt with strong-willed contributors.

A list of "undesirables?" Oh, my. If there is such a list, I've never seen it, much less passed it on to anybody else. I've met a few of the Admins over the years, but that's not surprising, because I hosted the NorCal TUGgers Lunches for years, and had several get togethers in Vegas. I've never met xxx, and had no idea who he was when he started logging in.

"Strong willed contributors?" Is that the same as bullying people you disagree with when they express their thoughts?

xxx's comments implies that I am the one behaving improperly so I should be the one to recognize that and change it, unless I am too weak to do so. Of course, those who have expereinced this same sort of treatment at her, and other's, hands would likely disagree that I, or they, were the wrongdoers.

You read too much into my comments. I never said that you should change. I was referring to *my experiences.* But if you want to talk about change...you now changed your username block to show you've been "Banned from TUG 4 Times." You mean suspended, dont' you, not banned? I didn't know it was four times, I only know of one other one. But if it was four, perhaps you should look inward. It can't always be "someone else's fault.

I believe the TS4Ms tenure for xxx has been very awkward, and she has been inhibited from expressing her true feelings. Now that she has set herself free from any allegiance to TS4Ms, that is coming out.

Thanks for deciding how I feel. You obviously don't know me, not one bit.

Fern Modena

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Gone fishing.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

Just letting you all know. We do not want posts with names in them. You got a problem with a person Please PM them but leave there name out. I am getting emails from members that feel this is not right and I agree. Do not use a persons name unless they agree. Putting a name in a post is taunting the person and in that case the person who used the name is at fault.
We will remove any names from this moment on and we will be going back to edit some who have not responded on thread and are Innocent here.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Gone fishing.

[bevvy5 Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close bevvy5]

As you know, in their private boards they toss around our names and poke fun and have a good time about it. I supposed you didn't know that.

I've stayed out of this for as long as I can, even deleted a post on another thread.

Jim, you and I, I think, are friends. We've shared emails and PMs and have a love of SW Florida in common.

But how dare you suggest that moderators on TUG poke fun and laugh at members. You owe me and everyone who has moderated on that board an apology. As Fern said, if there is some conspiracy to torture certain members, I certainly am not privy to it. Are there discussions about certain members? Of course, just like there are on this board when things get out of hand. But to suggest that it's some sort of sport to see how we can make someone's life miserable, please, we all have better things to do, let me assure you.

My bad for even straying into these threads. But I can't stands no more!!

[I-DE-HO Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close I-DE-HO]

OK, let me go PM Eddie Bauer. Edited BF

As you know, in their private boards they toss around our names and poke fun and have a good time about it. I supposed you didn't know that.

As a mod. OY I can honestly say you're completely wrong JLB. I agree with Bev. So, let's get back to timesharing. This is too petty.

[Sydney Contributor - Bronze Find all posts View Profile Close Sydney]

This all happened years ago right?

Why? Why does it have to keep popping up now? Let's stop inciting disunity and ill will.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Paranoia

Definition

Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them."

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Gone fishing.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

Jim I thank you for moving on and using the PM system to show your proof.


Just so members know. I was up to 4:30 am dealing with emails and Pm's regarding these 5 threads. I can't do this again so we are now working on a way so this does not continue and is fair for all parties.