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    Graves Go Green
    Environmentally Friendly Burials Catch On


    We all know the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out. And apparently some ants may play pinochle on one’s snout. But what else is happening underground at the nation’s cemeteries? How do standard burial practices — which involve tons of steel, cement, and gallons of formaldehyde — affect our environment?



    Are traditional funeral practices really having such an effect that Americans need to reconsider their ways?

    Harris uses the example of a typical cemetery to show that perhaps it is time to revise the standard funeral. When the average cemetery is picked apart, Harris said it looks more like a landfill than a bucolic resting place.

    He writes, “Over time, the typical 10-ac [4 ha] swatch of cemetery ground, for example, contains enough coffin wood to construct more than 40 houses, nearly 1000 tons [907 tonne] of casket steel, and another 20,000 tons [18,144 tonne] of vault concrete. Add to that a volume of toxic formalin nearly sufficient to fill a small backyard swimming pool and untold gallons of pesticide and weed killer used to keep the cemetery grounds preternaturally green.”

    So what’s an ecologically-minded person to do?

    There are several green options to burial that Harris writes of in his book.

    One includes cremation, which does contribute some pollution, but does less overall damage to the environment than a buried, embalmed body, Harris explained. There is the unique option of the memorial reef, which entails combining one’s ashes with concrete to form a small dome that is dropped into the ocean. The dome becomes a home for fish and other sea life.

    There’s the backyard burial, in which a body can be wrapped in a sheet, and buried peacefully in one’s own backyard — no chemicals, no expense. Of course, one must check with local or state regulations regarding this type of burial.

    “Backyard burials tend to be banned outright in urban and suburban areas. It’s more likely to be allowed in agricultural or certain rural zones, though, again, that depends on the exact county,” Harris explained.

    Another idea growing in popularity is the green cemetery, or woodland burial, where bodies are buried in cardboard or simple pine coffins, without the use of any chemicals. Graves are spread out, preserving the landscape and allowing the surrounding soil to do its natural filtering job, absorbing the bacteria and fluids that leave the body after burial. Instead of elaborate stone grave markers, natural elements of the landscape — such as shrubs or trees — mark one’s grave. There’s no irrigation, and no use of pesticides or herbicides.

    Ramsey Creek Preserve, a woodland, ecological cemetery in Westminster, S.C., buries 25 to 30 bodies per acre, Harris said, and locates burial sites well above the water table and where soils can serve as a natural filter. Walking through the cemetery, one might not even realize it is a cemetery — the landscape looks untouched, Harris said.

    A potential bonus of woodland burials is the opportunity to preserve land from development. By taking a parcel of land threatened by developers and it turning it into a woodland burial site, using funds from the sale of plots, one might be able to in turn save the rest of the surrounding land. “It can be self-sustaining,” Harris said.

    “I think it’s going to prove to be one of the important land-saving tools of our time,” Harris said of woodland burials. “The body is invited to return to the elements.”
    “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

    “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

    “You shouldn't wear that body.”

  • #2
    This sounds like a dead subject.
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    • #3
      There are a couple of other "green" solutions that I've read about--one is that they sort of freeze-dry the body and then they shake it to make little pieces. Then the body can be used as, essentially, mulch. (This is considered better than cremation because ashes change the pH of the environment and the nutrients in the body are wasted in the burning process and never allowed to return to the earth in the natural cycle.)

      There's also a process where they take a cup or so of your "cremains" and squoosh them into a diamond-like jewel. I thought this was all very nice and I told my sister about it. She said, "But...who will wear the ring?" I said, "You can have me. DH doesn't wear jewelry." She said, "No, thanks. What if someone admires the ring? 'It was your sister's? Oh, it IS your sister????'"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by wackymother View Post
        There are a couple of other "green" solutions that I've read about--one is that they sort of freeze-dry the body and then they shake it to make little pieces. Then the body can be used as, essentially, mulch. (This is considered better than cremation because ashes change the pH of the environment and the nutrients in the body are wasted in the burning process and never allowed to return to the earth in the natural cycle.)

        There's also a process where they take a cup or so of your "cremains" and squoosh them into a diamond-like jewel. I thought this was all very nice and I told my sister about it. She said, "But...who will wear the ring?" I said, "You can have me. DH doesn't wear jewelry." She said, "No, thanks. What if someone admires the ring? 'It was your sister's? Oh, it IS your sister????'"
        Or you could have the giant machines from Mars that were in the War of the Wordls film that spat out gound up humans like a garbage disposal.
        Mike H
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        • #5
          You want green? How about Soylent Green? That would count, wouldn't it??
          “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

          “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

          “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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          • #6
            Can anyone say "creamation".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wackymother View Post
              the nutrients in the body are wasted in the burning process and never allowed to return to the earth in the natural cycle.
              Not true. Cremation actually concentrates the nutrients in the body within the ashes. Ashes are alkaline, so they don't make good fertilizer for azaleas and rhododendrons. Use them on your hydrangeas instead.

              Or if you live in a wet climate where soils tend to be acidic anyway) work the ashes directly into the soil - they make a good soil amendment, having the same pH adjustment benefits as lime while adding nutrients that lime doesn't have.
              “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

              “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

              “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                Not true. Cremation actually concentrates the nutrients in the body within the ashes. Ashes are alkaline, so they don't make good fertilizer for azaleas and rhododendrons. Use them on your hydrangeas instead.

                Or if you live in a wet climate where soils tend to be acidic anyway) work the ashes directly into the soil - they make a good soil amendment, having the same pH adjustment benefits as lime while adding nutrients that lime doesn't have.
                Ashes are alkaline, but they're just carbon, not nutrient-rich fertilizer--all they do is adjust the pH of the soil, they don't nourish it.

                Like if you burn leaves, the ashes are just carbon, whereas if you chop up the leaves and pile them up, the leaves slowly degrade and enrich the soil. If we just laid down on the ground and died, and our bodies just stayed there and rotted, then insects and weather would make sure our "nutrients" went into the ground.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wackymother View Post
                  Ashes are alkaline, but they're just carbon, not nutrient-rich fertilizer--all they do is adjust the pH of the soil, they don't nourish it.

                  Like if you burn leaves, the ashes are just carbon, whereas if you chop up the leaves and pile them up, the leaves slowly degrade and enrich the soil. If we just laid down on the ground and died, and our bodies just stayed there and rotted, then insects and weather would make sure our "nutrients" went into the ground.
                  Wrong. You've got it completely turned around.

                  When you burn something it's the carbon that goes up in smoke - that why burning emits CO2 into the atmosphere. Ashes are the residue that doesn't burn - i.e., the phosphorus, calcium, sodium, etc. is all in the ash.

                  When I submit a sample of material to a laboratory and have them analyze it for total mineral content, the laboratory combusts the sample at high temperature to drive off the carbon. The ash that remains is the mineral content. In fact, that process is known as ashing.

                  ****

                  When we die, our ultimate fate is for the bugs to eat our carbon, converting that to CO2. That's how they generate the energy they need to live. The inorganic components get recycled - either the bugs use them in their own protoplasm or they excrete them into the soil where they either are used by other life forms or they accumulate.

                  Even the portion of our carbon that bugs use directly instead of oxidizing to produce eventually becomes CO2, because when that bug dies it's body just becomes food for another organism.
                  “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                  “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                  “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                    Wrong. You've got it completely turned around.

                    When you burn something it's the carbon that goes up in smoke - that why burning emits CO2 into the atmosphere. Ashes are the residue that doesn't burn - i.e., the phosphorus, calcium, sodium, etc. is all in the ash.

                    When I submit a sample of material to a laboratory and have them analyze it for total mineral content, the laboratory combusts the sample at high temperature to drive off the carbon. The ash that remains is the mineral content. In fact, that process is known as ashing.

                    ****

                    When we die, our ultimate fate is for the bugs to eat our carbon, converting that to CO2. That's how they generate the energy they need to live. The inorganic components get recycled - either the bugs use them in their own protoplasm or they excrete them into the soil where they either are used by other life forms or they accumulate.

                    Even the portion of our carbon that bugs use directly instead of oxidizing to produce eventually becomes CO2, because when that bug dies it's body just becomes food for another organism.

                    I just have one thing to say:
                    Mike H
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                    • #11
                      The jews, muslims, and other faiths that follow "ashes to ashes" do it best - - no embalming and a pine box.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                        Wrong. You've got it completely turned around.

                        When you burn something it's the carbon that goes up in smoke - that why burning emits CO2 into the atmosphere. Ashes are the residue that doesn't burn - i.e., the phosphorus, calcium, sodium, etc. is all in the ash.

                        When I submit a sample of material to a laboratory and have them analyze it for total mineral content, the laboratory combusts the sample at high temperature to drive off the carbon. The ash that remains is the mineral content. In fact, that process is known as ashing.

                        ****

                        When we die, our ultimate fate is for the bugs to eat our carbon, converting that to CO2. That's how they generate the energy they need to live. The inorganic components get recycled - either the bugs use them in their own protoplasm or they excrete them into the soil where they either are used by other life forms or they accumulate.

                        Even the portion of our carbon that bugs use directly instead of oxidizing to produce eventually becomes CO2, because when that bug dies it's body just becomes food for another organism.
                        I dunno, Steve. I still feel strangely drawn to the mulching....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wackymother
                          I dunno, Steve. I still feel strangely drawn to the mulching....
                          I didn't say the mulching was bad. I am just saying you are 180 degrees incorrect in asserting that ashes are unburned carbon and minerals are part of the smoke. I mulch all of my leaves and grass clippings, because mulch does have some significant benefits in a garden. But I also add ashes to my compost pile when I have them available, because my compost piles are acidic and the ash helps balance the pH. When I first started mulching I used to add lime to try to keep the pH neutral until I finally gave that up as not worth the effort.

                          ****

                          The organic content of plant matter includes a variety of organic compounds, some of which are easily degraded and some of which are more resistant. When you mulch or create a compost pile, the easily degraded compounds are consumed by the critters in the compost pile, while the less degradable compounds break down more slowly. Almost all of the mineral nutrients remain in the compost. Nitrogen is almost totally consumed in the composting process, unless your stock is overloaded with green material.

                          After the composting or mulching process is complete, what remains is an organic rich material that contains most of the mineral nutrients present in the original material. The volume of the material is much less, because somewhere around 50% of the carbon in the original material ( the easily degradable carbon) is consumed by fauna in the compost pile.

                          Because the remaning carbonaceous material is complex and resistant to breakdown, it amends the soil you add it do, contributing slowly degrading organic carbon and enhancing the tilth.

                          ***

                          But it totally incorrect to assume that ash has no fertilizing value. In fact, much ash is recovered specifically for its fertilizer value.
                          “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                          “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                          “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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