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    On April 13, 2005, I called our resort and paid the 2007 fees for our three weeks, telling them I wanted to Spacebank them with RCI. They debited our credit card account on 4/14/05. I immediately deposted our Weeks 10 and 11, and when July arrived I deposited our Week 30.

    Because I was curious how much we had paid for each of our January exchanges, I contacted our resort in December to see how the lump-sum charge on 4/14/05 had been apportioned. When I received the statements I found it strange that none of them had the credit balance you would expect to see when you are paid two years ahead.

    They said we weren't paid two years ahead. In fact, we weren't even paid for 2006.

    Damn!

    There has been some turnover and the person I always dealt with, the head of the owners office, is no longer there.

    We went back and forth a few rounds, me saying I have deposited our weeks and paid our fees ahead of time and can match deposit acknowledgements and credit card charges, and them saying no I didn't.

    Being my mother's son, I pulled out all my records. I sent them documentation of everything that has happened since 1992. The dates I deposited to RCI (with the corresponding payments to the resort on or about the same date), the payments I made for weeks in the rental program on or about when they were due, all of our correspondence back and forth.

    Way back when I found where they had credited a payment to the wrong account. Then there is a period around 2000-2003 where RCI cannot give me specific information and the resort was not using our account numbers, but meaningless Hotel Folio numbers, so my records are meaningless. I cannot reconcile those years.

    I did see the possibility that I did not pay our fees for 2005 for a week we had in the rental program. I definitely paid 2006 and 2007, at the time when I Spacebanked them, but I believe someone used one of those payments for 2005, so that when that week (30) arrived they did not bill me for it in the rental program.

    It's been two weeks since I sent them my study and I haven;t heard a thing, not even an acknowledgement that they received it.

    We are now at the point when I want to pay for and deposit 2008.

    Perhaps that since our fees are so low they feel we should pay them double, or triple, or quadruple! If they were double they would still be below average.
    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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    Have you called them up to check that they've received the receipts and papers?
    Syd

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sydney
      Have you called them up to check that they've received the receipts and papers?

      I did not send them. I used them for my forensic accounting, and now I'm waiting to see if they see what I see when they look closer.
      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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      • #4
        Oh, I see. You sent them your study.
        Here's hoping they'll apply a bit of effort into it sorting it out.
        Syd

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        • #5
          Yeah, I gave them all the dates I have made payments to them and what the payments were for, back to 1992, excpet for the lost years, the years when the receipts don't have account numbers on them and when RCI cannot provide our deposit history. ( Don't you think RCI should be able to provide a member's history back further than 2004?)

          The resort can look at their records and see if they did the correct accounting.
          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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          • #6
            I Attract Idiots . . .

            . . . like Pigpen attracts dirt!

            I'm a fricken idiot magnet!

            Today they emailed me to say they think that when I paid our 2006 fee for one week so we could deposit it with RCI, they credited it for 2005, which was not due yet because for 2005 it was in the rental program, so they did not send me a bill for it. Then when I paid 2007 two months later, they credited that to 2006. So, I have not paid 2007 yet.

            Could it be she figured that out because that's exactly what I told her in my last email!?

            Then she concluded, without any substantiation whatsoever, that that's the case with the other two weeks also, both of which we have paid through 2007.

            She said they have wasted enough time on this. It appears she is asking us to pay 2007 again, plus 2008, in order to deposit 2008 this month.

            I have never had problems like this with a bill we are paid ahead on. This is stupid. This is the kind of treatment you give to people who are in arrears, not who are paid ahead.

            I just told her what difference does it make if we are paid one year ahead, like they say, or two years ahead, like we really are? At some time in the future for me, two years ahead, or even one year ahead, will not arrive. So let's move on.

            Anyone follow that?

            The frustration is this is one of those deals where we have no one to go to. If they say they will not deposit our 2008 weeks until we pay our 2007 fees again, there is no one to protest to.
            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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            • #7
              It's Official Now

              I finally got the person cooking, err keeping, the books to tell me what we have to pay in order to deposit our 2008 weeks.

              They want us to pay both 2007 and 2008. For two of the weeks we have already paid 2007, when we Spacebanked them. Like I said before, I have proof of payment, vis a vis credit card and RCI records, for 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. I can't prove anything prior to that because of the way they charged our credit card. They also do not send out receipts, so I don't have anything like that to use.

              So, I will send a letter and all that to the resort manager, like I don't have anything else to do.
              RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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              • #8
                This is a little disturbing, from the head of the Owners Association Management:

                I believe that in February 2005 you called to bank your 2006 week. Ms. (deleted) took down your credit card information and made a note on the sheet that is was to be for 2006 dues (to pay in advance). . . Our accounting clerk processes payments and pays no notice to what/when they are for. The payment was therefore really a 2005 payment. The cycle then continued when you called to bank 2007. The payment was really retroactive for 2006. That is why I show one too few payments on your account and am asking for 2007 to be paid.

                I can't believe she is actually saying an accounting clerk decides how to post accounts, ignoring the notes of managers and instructions of the customers.

                By the same token, if I made a deposit at my bank, a clerk can decide what account to put it in, right?

                Today I am mailing proof of payments for the last four years, since that's all I can prove because of the resorts notation sytem prior to that. All four years were with specific instructions and there never was a question about our accounts.
                RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JLB
                  Today I am mailing proof of payments for the last four years, since that's all I can prove because of the resorts notation sytem prior to that. All four years were with specific instructions and there never was a question about our accounts.
                  And here's their reply:

                  Mr. (Me),

                  As previously mentioned, our computer records don’t go past 2002. Your interpretation of the documents is that you have paid through 2007 while we cannot clearly confirm or deny that without further extensive research through paper documents. Our computer records indicate that your accounts have not been paid through 2007 but without many more hours of research into the matter, we cannot definitively confirm our position. Our office has spent considerable time on this matter and in order to close this matter out we will go ahead and consider the accounts paid through 2007.
                  RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                  • #10
                    Jim good thing you kept proof. I just today finally or at least hope settled my claim with Ipod. My sons ipod battery started failing. There was a class action suit on this issue. Any way I mailed the forms back in Nov but after 2 ad a half months I never heard from them. They had a record of my call but could not find the forms. I was told to just give it 3 more weeks. So now I call again and they still can not find the paper work. I was told to send my copies registered return receipt this time. So I send it 3 weeks ago and received a call last week from Jerome saying they received it. I get a call yesterday from Jerome to tell me that my paperwork was lost. I was upset but he called to tell me so it would not delay it any longer. This time I had copies from a copy but that was all I had and did not want to mail it. He had me scan it and email it to him yesterday. Today I got a call from him and he assured me that this time it will not be lost and that I should be hearing from Apple by the next few weeks. In my case I needed to not just have 1 copy since they lost the original and then they lost the copy as well. If I did not make a 3rd copy I would have lost out on the replacement. BTW the people I was dealing with was the claims administrator which is a law office. Yhea I want then to represent me at trial if I ever need them.
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                    • #11
                      It is said that revenge is sweet, but I suspect that it seldom is. I suspect that seeking revenge is harder on the seeker than the sought. I would not know because I have never sought revenge against anyone.

                      Besides, "Revenge is mine," sayeth the Lord, not ours.

                      But that's different than carrying grudge. If you did not carry a grudge against those who have done you wrong in the past, you would leave yourself open to be targeted again. Turn the other cheek but keep your shield close at hand.

                      Trust is hard to earn, easy to lose, and then harder to earn again, once lost.
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                      While down working on the dock it occurred to me that I had better say a little more to clarify myself.

                      I/we've had several little annoyances the past five years. Prior to that, none that I can recall.

                      The resort could have fought this, and made life miserable for us, over just a little bit of money we had already paid, but they chose the higher ground. I suspect they will carry a grudge, but that is to be expected.

                      My brother sought revenge for his own reasons involving our dad's and mom's estates. He would not sign any documents and even hired an attorney and showed up to object to the Final Report to close out our mother's estate. All that got him was less inheritance and an attorney bill, over something that involved a relatively small amount of money. Just carrying a grudge would have been better than seeking revenge.

                      Our neighbors have what they want, a new dock, yet they met today and then ran around to each other's houses, trying to find another way to screw us over. Their motivation at this point could only be to seek revenge, since they have gotten what they set out to get, even without our approval.

                      Our attorney said that for $10,000, he can make their life miserable, make them sorry they had ever tried to screw us over, but in the end they will get what they want and we will just be out the $10,000. So, we'll just carry the grudge instead of seeking revenge.
                      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                      • #12
                        Frank, we had the same problem too with a rebate coupon. They claimed that they never received it and I wouldn't be surprised with our mail service. You almost have to send a coupon in by certified mail to be sure they receive it so you may as well forget about if it is a small rebate. It would be so much simpler if the rebate was deducted from the purchase price.

                        JLB, I am happy for you that you resolved your problem. Today, it is necessary to keep records of everything. We got our money too for this coupon because we had made Xerox copies but it was still a hassle.

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                        • #13
                          Yesterday was the day to pay our 2008 fees for our Weeks 10 and 11, Spacebank them, and hopefully draw this to a close.

                          I did it by phone with our resort. Even after all of this they refused to send us a receipt. I requested that they run the charges to our credit card as separate charges, with account numbers. Checking our credit card account online this morning, they have not appeared yet.

                          They did agreed that I could send them an email, stating what I was paying for and how much, and that they would reply to that, give me the credit card authorization number. I sent an email but do not have a reply to it yet either.
                          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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