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  • #31
    The answer is No, they are not going to review it, the file is closed.

    So, anyone wanna play attorney? How about one of you attornies?

    Here's my dilemna.

    We have a restitution agreement with the felon. He pays so much per month. There is an acceleration clause that says the holder of the agreement can demand full payment of the unpaid balance in the event of default (a missed payment) and if not paid in full, the maximum allowable interest will start accruing. Acceleration is without notice and without defense.

    The felon agreed to this in order to not have to pay interest and not have his wealthy father guarantee payment.

    The guy defaulted twice, and had probation review hearings where he admitted that under oath. For various reasons, the Estate and the Prosecutor never did the acceleration.

    Because probation was ending, I called a Hearing last summer to do that. Unfortunately, the Court Clerk misunderstood the purpose of the hearing and it went in under the criminal side of the case. The judge said I had the right to do what I was doing, told the felon he had defaulted, but that the judge was not going to make a ruling. He told us get an to attorney to make the demand.

    That's what the attorney did, sent a demand letter, saying we have exercised our option to accelerate the debt. We thought that was all that we needed to do. Now he is saying we go to civil court and get a judgement, which we may fail to get and which would cost several thousand more dollars in legal fees.

    Here is my thought. We made the demand, we did what the Court told us to do, so why not I just send the felon a statement of the amount that is now due, with a copy to the Court ClerK?

    I'm thinking the worst that could happen is the felon would have his attorney go to court and fight it, get it thrown out. But, we would be no worse off, and I would not have to spend $1000s more on an attorney, or even be there. And the judge in that hearing may look at the file and say we had the right to do what we did.
    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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    • #32
      OK, if there are no attornies present, has anyone stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately?
      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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      • #33
        Not Yet

        No, but I have a reservation at one for tonight (on my way to Panama City Beach, FL for a week of looking at the surf).
        M. Henley

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        • #34
          Then I will be expecting your advice tomorrow!!!

          Advice from a pig farmer beats advice from an attorney anyway!

          Have fun.
          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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          • #35
            Pigs, redeux

            Pigs are smarter than dogs, just as mules are smarter than horses.
            Can't say the same for OFs, however. Can't imagine what they are smarter than. Mayb e displaced Yankees?
            M. Henley

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            • #36
              This is still going on.

              I did, in fact, send a demand letter and statement to the felon, adding interest from the date of default, plus a quarterly update, both by certified mail. He signed for both mailings.

              I also send copies to the Clerk of Court who is administering the restitution and the agent for the beneficiaries, who was also the Executor of the estate.

              Felon has not responded, but has continued to pay the Court-mandated monthly amount of restitution, which is not sufficient to pay the monthly interest.

              If I save my share, in about 150 years I can buy a place at the lake . . . well, at today's depressed prices.
              RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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              • #37
                Still going on.

                I won a major victory.

                We have been told by just about everyone that once creep completed probation, which he has, we would only have civil remedies to collect the restitution. That would be costly and produce nothing, since a judgement cannot force him to pay. Only the threat of further prosecution could.

                I started a dialogue with the Clerk of Courts, who referred me to the Judge in charge of the criminal docket, who referred me to a person in the Prosecuting Attorney's office who handles restitution. That person told me we would have to rely on civil remedies.

                I answered that with a transcript from a hearing several years ago where the judge told creep that restitution is by court order as part of a felony sentence and that if he ever missed a payment after probation that would be contempt, subject to 6 months in the county jail for each missed payment.

                The guy in the Prosecuting Attorney's office conferred with the judge in charge of the criminal docket and the judge agreed with me. That means that the Prosecuting Attorney will be on creep's case until the last penny is paid, which will be never because of accruing interest. I was told to contact them if a payment is missed and they will issue a warrant.

                So, creep and his Dad's plan to avoid both paying restitution and going to jail will likely not happen.

                Been at this over 8 years now.
                RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                • #38
                  Good for you.
                  Mike H
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                  • #39
                    what a long ordeal!

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                    • #40
                      Congratulations and well done, your perseverance paid off.

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                      • #41
                        Thanks.

                        I didn't mention it because my blurb was long enough already, but what got me started on this again was that I update creep, the Clerk of Courts, and the bank trust department handling the distribution for the beneficiaries, every six months, adding the accrued interest.

                        The last time creep had moved, with no forwarding address, which is a violation of the restitution agreement. I figured that was in anticipation of stopping payments.

                        Thusfar, the payments are still coming.
                        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                        • #42
                          GREAT! It is terrible that people who commit these 'white color crimes' get away with it and pay so little in prision time and restitution.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by riverdees05 View Post
                            GREAT! It is terrible that people who commit these 'white color crimes' get away with it and pay so little in prision time and restitution.
                            His dad is well-to-do and connected. In previous meetings with the Prosecutor I have been told we have been lucky to get anything, and victims not getting their restitution did not seem to be a big issue.
                            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                            • #44
                              Great by Small Increments

                              Now, if you could but rid the area of OFs.
                              M. Henley

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by M. Henley
                                Now, if you could but rid the area of OFs.
                                too many
                                RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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