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    I'm amazed at how many guys at lunch at the country club are saying, "If I ever get any of my stock money back, it's nothing but CDs from now on!!" That's a big if.

    Same people that gave those who had their retirement in CDs a hard time, I spose. Now when I say our little bit is still earning 5%, some 6%, they say how lucky we are.

    It was/is that ridicule and the fear of missing out that made/makes sticking to a conservative investment plan a bitch. But, then, fear of loss can be stronger than fear of missing out. Then there is fear of not knowing.

    We have friends back in the city that have been clobbered twice now, but I doubt that it will change them. Let's see, the last time they got clobbered they were waiting to sell until the Dow hit 25,000, something one of their gurus told them.
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    An afterthought . . . listening to the talking heads on TV today, it appears that what I always figured had to happen eventually has happened, with companies like GM. I know a lot of folks who took early retirement from GM. Today they said every worker is supporting ten other non-productive people being paid by GM, the retirees and their dependants.

    You just cannot keep paying non-productive people, and keep increasing the number of them, and stay competitive. Regardless of what promises were made to those retirees, you just can't do it, and it may take going out of business to prove that.

    Of course, in the reorganization talk, retiree benefits are right up there first on the list.
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  • #2
    One of the best moves I ever did some 3 years back was to lather my Cd's , the space ranged from 3 months out on my Cd's to 5 years and as they matured I would just pick the best rate for a 6 month to 2 year time slot. I took a major beating some 10 years back but it was mostly money that I had made. This time around I lost about 80% of what was left.
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    • #3
      Nice....so you are cash rich with little to no stock exposure. This is the buying opportunity of a lifetime in the stock market. Just be careful what you pick.
      "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
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      • #4
        NEW STOCK MARKET TERMS

        CEO --Chief Embezzlement Officer.

        CFO-- Corporate Fraud Officer.

        BULL MARKET -- A random market movement causing an investor to mistake
        himself for a financial genius.

        BEAR MARKET -- A 6 to 18 month period when the kids get no allowance,
        the wife gets no jewelry, and the husband gets no sex.

        VALUE INVESTING -- The art of buying low and selling lower.

        P/E RATIO -- The percentage of investors wetting their pants as the
        market keeps crashing.

        BROKER -- What my broker has made me.

        STANDARD & POOR -- Your life in a nutshell.

        STOCK ANALYST -- Idiot who just downgraded your stock.

        STOCK SPLIT -- When your ex-wife and her lawyer split your assets
        equally between themselves.

        MARKET CORRECTION -- The day after you buy stocks.

        CASH FLOW-- The movement your money makes as it disappears down the toilet.

        YAHOO -- What you yell after selling it to some poor sucker for $240 per share.

        WINDOWS -- What you jump out of when you're the sucker who bought
        Yahoo @ $240 per share.

        INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR -- Past year investor who's now locked up in a nuthouse.

        PROFIT -- An archaic word no longer in use.
        "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
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        • #5
          I laddered ours, but I'm enjoying this picture of yours.

          Then a couple years back interest rates flattened out . . . I know I've posted about it . . . so that all terms were about the same interest rate. When that happened, at maturity dates I went with the shortest terms, figuring long terms rates would eventually go back up.

          Then I said screw it and have been picking whatever term gives us 5%, mostly 60 months, as long as we have some shorter term funds available somewhere.

          We also have zero coupon treasury strips with maturities from 2014 to 2019, an important feature of them being that they are liquid, they can be sold with no early-redemption penalty. Seems like they are all 6% or higher.

          New thought in next posts, since this is getting longish, and so many of us have ADD.

          Originally posted by bigfrank
          One of the best moves I ever did some 3 years back was to lather my Cd's
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          • #6
            Although I was buying the strips before it happened, what really got me onto this conservative approach was what happened to my Dad when a cokehead broker got ahold of him.

            A downturn in the market produces the same result as a Cokehead broker who runs you around town cashing in your CDs, with penalties, so he can churn your account and steal from you. Those leading the business world today are, essentially, doing the same thing.

            I was the one who did the forensic accounting on my Dad's (and Mom's) assets. For more than ten years Dad did quite well playing with his CDs, moving them around at maturity, getting returns as high as 11%, all FDIC insured. I found all of his notes and speadsheets.

            Prior to Cokehead, their wealth was increasing every year because they could not spend all of their interest income.

            Like my Dad, before he succumbed to the temptations of Cokehead, I like certainty, the uncertainty being how long I/we will be here. I/we think we might have retired a little too early, so I/we are trying to do seomthing about that.

            FWIW, Cokehead managed to manipulate the minefield of probation, even stopping restitution a couple of times, without having to go to prison. He did spend 10 days in jail the second time he stopped paying restitution, but the 10-year prison sentence is no longer hanging over him.

            The remaining restitution (half of what he owed at the beginning) is a civil matter, with the promise of 6 months in county jail for any payment he misses, but now that is contempt, not a probation violation.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JLB
              I'm amazed at how many guys at lunch at the country club are saying, "If I ever get any of my stock money back, it's nothing but CDs from now on!!"

              And I'm amazed those guys are still having lunch at the country club....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 3kids4me
                And I'm amazed those guys are still having lunch at the country club....
                Good point!
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                • #9
                  They still have pensions and Social Security . . . for now.

                  And their CC privileges are paid up . . . until next March. We'll see what hapens then.

                  One I am close to did recently say he may cut back on golf, not do the annual membership and just pay per round. His planned retirement for the end of the year recently fell through, and now his portfolio has taken a broadside.

                  But, by and large, the annual membership is, or at least has been, fairly reasonable, so unless it goes up drastically, which would be a very bad time for that, I don't see much dropoff.

                  Originally posted by 3kids4me
                  And I'm amazed those guys are still having lunch at the country club....
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