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  • How much does it cost to be "middle class" in New York?

    N.Y.C. so costly you need to earn six figures to make middle class
    BY Elizabeth Hays
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    N.Y.C. so costly you need to earn six figures to make middle class

    Friday, February 6th 2009, 1:04 PM





    Depends on who you call middle class


    More than $2,000 a month for day care. Some of the highest phone bills in the country. Jam-packed, 50-plus-minute commutes to work.

    You knew it was tough to live in New York City — but this tough?

    A new report shows just how ugly — and expensive — New York City can be, especially for the middle class, squeezed by skyrocketing living costs and stagnant wages.

    The study, released Thursday by the Center for an Urban Future, shows that New York City is hands-down the most expensive place to live in the country.

    Among the findings:

    A New Yorker would have to make $123,322 a year to have the same standard of living as someone making $50,000 in Houston.
    In Manhattan, a $60,000 salary is equivalent to someone making $26,092 in Atlanta.


    You knew it was expensive to live in Manhattan, but Queens? The report tagged Queens the fifth most expensive urban area in the country.
    The average monthly rent in New York is $2,801, 53% higher than San Francisco, the second most expensive city in the country.
    “Income levels that would enable a very comfortable lifestyle in other locales barely suffice to provide the basics in New York City,” the report concludes.

    Other belt-tightening details include:

    New Yorkers paid about $34 a month for phone service in 2006. In San Francisco, similar service cost $17 a month.
    Home heating costs have jumped 125% in the past five years and are up 243% since 1998.
    Full-time day care costs can run up to $25,000 a year for one child, depending on the neighborhood, or about as much as some college tuitions.
    Meanwhile, wages in the city have remained mostly flat in all boroughs but Manhattan — even during the boom years from 2003 to 2007.
    It’s not only money that makes life here hard, researchers said — which might not be news to most New Yorkers.

    Take commutes, for example. The report found that many New Yorkers put up with commutes double the national average of 25.5 minutes.

    Commuting to Manhattan from St. Albans, Queens, can take 51.7 minutes, while getting there from Canarsie, Brooklyn, can run 50.8 minutes.

    Researchers said the combination of skyrocketing costs, stagnant wages and a deteriorating quality of life forced hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers to flee the city for cheaper areas during the boom years from 2002 to 2006.

    The report found that more New Yorkers left each year during the boom than left during the dark days of the early 1990s.

    Center for Urban Future Director Jonathan Bowles noted that the number of people fleeing the city has slowed since 2007 as the rest of the country has sunk into recession, jobs have dried up nationwide and home values here started to sink.

    Mayor Bloomberg downplayed the report but said he is concerned about the constant drumbeat of job losses in the city.

    “There is turnover all the time. That’s very healthy,” Bloomberg said. “We’re doing fine, but it is very worrisome, the number of people who are losing their jobs.”
    Lawren
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    There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
    - Rolf Kopfle

  • #2
    Yikes......That's just down right depressing.
    Angela

    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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    • #3
      Anyone want to contribute to a poor middle class city-dweller?

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      • #4
        So then it must be the nice weather that keeps folks living there.
        Jim

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Elan View Post
          So then it must be the nice weather that keeps folks living there.
          NOT!

          but it explains why I look askance to anything termed "middle class tax cuts" when politicians announce them. Generally our income levels marginalize those but we are middle class for here. I guess we need a bell curve.

          If DH was not a NY state employee I'd move.
          Lawren
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          There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
          - Rolf Kopfle

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          • #6
            Here's a handy calculator for figuring cost of living differences:

            Cost of Living Comparison

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            • #7
              You should compare it to DC. You will feel much better

              Based on the new president team, it is living in cave age. So not only we have higher cost, we also have lower living standard. So low that the whole American think it should be changed

              Jya-Ning
              Jya-Ning

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jya-Ning View Post
                You should compare it to DC. You will feel much better

                Based on the new president team, it is living in cave age. So not only we have higher cost, we also have lower living standard. So low that the whole American think it should be changed

                Jya-Ning
                Let's compare real estate tax bills.

                I have a 2100sq ft home on a 1/3 acre. My taxes are $10k/year. My county taxes just went up 10%...county is +/- 50% of my tax bill. so in reality my taxes went up only 5%.

                I am one of the lucky ones to have only that kind of tax burden here in my county. My friends have much worse! The city is much cheaper. Things are much worse in Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk.

                I neglected to add in our school taxes which were also raised by 4% and a bond vote this month.... Cost per taxpayer estimated to be between $140 and $198 per year.

                I think the businesses can and should carry a percentage point or more to ease the burden on the middle class. We aren't making anymore money. Our COLA is escalating. ( Oh maybe not because COLA does not include food and energy cost but anyone who shops or buys gas can tell you what is happening there). I don't agree that we should mortgage our future for a short term bailout now. In a nutshell I wouldn't want to be President Obama right now.
                Lawren
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                There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
                - Rolf Kopfle

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                • #9
                  Why do we need to figure out which city is most costly?

                  Go to the link Brian used, type in the amount New York's avg, type DC, you will see DC beat New York by 1%.

                  As middle Class, we do enjoy a lot of free stuff. Except none of the sport team has own the championship for a while, not much to complain about. But I do believe restaurant is more expensive than NY.

                  My county tax is about 60% of my state tax. The traffic is as bad as New York. And it takes a lot to take metro to town.

                  I believe my property tax rate is about 1.2%

                  Jya-Ning
                  Jya-Ning

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                  • #10
                    My bigest bargain is my monthly water bill. Just DH and me living here...city water...monthly bill between $8 and $9 except in the summer when we water the grass. Otherwise high taxes and high fees.
                    Kay H

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                    • #11
                      And on the radio yesterday I heard cigarettes in NYC are $9.00 a pack. Glad I quit smoking years ago.

                      I have a son who works in DC owns in Alexandria VA and one that lives/works in Manhattan. Rents are that high. He had paid $2700 for a teeny place up to $3500(2 roommates) Staggering to me. That is more than a mortgage in most places and you own nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pcgirl54 View Post
                        And on the radio yesterday I heard cigarettes in NYC are $9.00 a pack. Glad I quit smoking years ago.

                        I have a son in DC and one in Manhattan. Rents are that high. He had paid $2700 for a teeny place up to $3500(2 roommates) Staggering to me. That is more than a mortgage in most places and you own nothing.
                        I have a DD (College student) who is renting a 6 story walk-up in Williamsburg. 2 bdrm, teeny, tiny apartment in a pre-war building, with no sink in the bathroom, for $2,200 a month.......If they wanted a sink in the bathroom , it would have cost an additional $500-600.
                        Angela

                        If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                        BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                        • #13
                          Jay Ning


                          You should compare it to DC. You will feel much better
                          Nope, now I feel even worse.....I just compared my town to Washington DC, and it's 43% cheaper to live in DC.


                          Cost of Living Indexes XXXXXX VS Washington

                          XXXX DC
                          Overall 293 ....166
                          Food 139 .....113
                          Housing 563.... 266
                          Utilities 163 .....86
                          Transportation 119.... 114
                          Health 180..... 120
                          Miscellaneous 138 ....110
                          100=national average
                          » Compare these cities in over 100 categories


                          Washington is
                          43%
                          cheaper than XXXXXX.

                          Housing
                          is the biggest factor in the cost of living difference.

                          Housing is
                          52%
                          cheaper in Washington.
                          Angela

                          If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                          BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                          • #14
                            You lived in area where housing worth a lot. Compare McLean to DC, it is 26% cheaper to live in DC

                            Look like your area is pretty expensive. I guess you live in good school zone.

                            I believe Forbes used to create this kind of lists like which area is most expensive. Sorry to hear you ladies live in such area.

                            On the other hand, people lived in that area general has avg. income match it or higher, so should I pity myself for making less?

                            Jya-Ning
                            Jya-Ning

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                            • #15
                              New York is 58% more expensive than Las Vegas.

                              Las Vegas is 43% less expensive than San Francisco. Explains why we are able to go out when we want to here

                              When I worked, I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area. Just barely. A fifty minute commute would have been welcome. Mine was 60-90 minutes, depending on time of day. If I worked 5 AM to 1 PM it was 60 minutes or so, barring any accidents. If I got off one hour later, it was at least 90 minutes. I commuted 132 miles a day. Can you imagine doing that now with the price of fuel? Also, the toll was 50 cents when I started, and now it is $4.00 I think.

                              Fern
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