WOW - Congratulations Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner!

[Glitter Brunello Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Glitter Brunello]

So when a person in most situations feels some thing factual is not really factual, such as claiming the day is night and the night is day, that person is factually wrong and considered to have a mental condition. Why is it that a man can say I am a woman or a woman can say I am a man and this not be considered more of a mental condition. I don't accept the concept of gender dysphoria because scientifically it is not real, it is only a feeling.

Where does it stop. Should we as a society roll over for every whim of a disturbed mind ? What if a person decides they are not human and shouldn't have to obey the laws of humans ? Would this be an acceptable excuse to harm another or ones-self. The same reason we clinically treat people that would harm themselves or others applies to gender dysoria, imo.

Were you also in the camp of "same-sex marriage is the gateway to people marrying animals?"

The brain is an important gender organ.

Gender dysphoria is a form of body dysphoria. It means that the person is unhappy with their body (see the definition of dysphoria = profound dissatisfaction or unease). Plenty of people suffer from that and seek both surgical and non-surgical intervention on a regular basis. They dress to cover up flaws, they diet, they wear binding undergarments, makeup, etc... Sometimes they get plastic surgery. It is no different for people of trans* experience, who do what they can and want to be more comfortable with how they look. Degrees of body and gender dysphoria vary from person to person.

I realize you are trolling a bit here, but with over 1000 views on this thread its worth responding with some real information for the people who might actually be interested.

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I understand it may be confusing, but please know that many trans folks choose not to do a "full transformation," nor should they have to in order to satisfy any cisgender person's (or anyone at all for that matter) expectation of what they think a person of trans* experience ought to be doing. Bottom surgery (such as vaginoplasty or phalloplasty) is incredibly complicated with mixed results. Not everyone opts for it, in fact, many people do not. Similarly, some people opt for top surgery and others don't. Some people stop at hormones, some find even those difficult to tolerate. Transition is a highly individual experience. As for Caitlyn's sexual orientation, she has said that she isn't sure where she will end up in terms of attraction and that she is still attracted to women. Sexual orientation and Gender Identity are completely unrelated. I have seen statistics stating that as many as 1/3 of people who take hormones in the course of transition experience a change in their attraction due to hormones, but the majority do not.

So, he's a lesbian with a penis?

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So, he's a lesbian with a penis?

Actually I misspoke. BRUCE was attracted to women. Before his transformation he said he wasn't sure yet to whom Caitlyn would be attracted. Caitlyn has stated that it's not a priority for her right now. And I wouldn't want to assign her any labels she hasn't chosen for herself, but in old school terms it's not entirely out of the question. It definitely wouldn't be the first time.

One thing is for sure, though, the appropriate pronoun to use for Caitlyn is she.

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I hope this is not off topic, but Glitter, you are so knowledgeable on this topic, I want to ask about someone I saw recently. WE were enjoying the beach in Florida, and a saw a tall person with long blond hair and a bright pink bikini top walking down the beach. As the person came closer, I noticed the poor woman was balding on top! But closer up, the person had a very manish face, and the bottom was male in a string bikini, the smallest size possible and the back end totally revealed, the front practically on display. Now i know the details because this person walked back and forth at least 6 times It seems if this was someone undergoing gender transformation, simply wearing a sun hat would cover the baldness, and a wraparound coverup on the waist would completely hide any discrepancies This person was causing some uproar, and would get upset with anyone who noticed .

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lol!

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I like this

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When it's all over the news, people are bound to discuss and have opinions. Those who say others should not have opinions often have opinions but just the 'right' opinions.
I think the key is to be tolerant of others' opinions and of others you may have opinions about.

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When it's all over the news, people are bound to discuss and have opinions. Those who say others should not have opinions often have opinions but just the 'right' opinions.
I think the key is to be tolerant of others' opinions and of others you may have opinions about.

yes, good post

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When it's all over the news, people are bound to discuss and have opinions. Those who say others should not have opinions often have opinions but just the 'right' opinions.
I think the key is to be tolerant of others' opinions and of others you may have opinions about.

Agree, I do my best to respect an educated opinion.

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Agree, I do my best to respect an educated opinion.

Well I certainly respect your opinion because I think on this topic you know what you're talking about, whereas I'm pretty clueless about gender identity, same sex attraction and transgender issue!

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Well I certainly respect your opinion because I think on this topic you know what you're talking about, whereas I'm pretty clueless about gender identity, same sex attraction and transgender issue!

I appreciate that, Sydney. It's so important for us all to know what we don't know, I am reminded almost daily of what I don't know! And on this topic, my knowledge is still basic compared to what I have yet to learn.

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On Facebook I would say "Like". There are so many topics that are much more pressing than this one here but the Media wants us to stay clueless. Really sad, IMHO. I am glad that we can still choose what to read.

i wish this person peace of mind and to be accepted in society like the rest of us. Live and let live!

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Were you also in the camp of "same-sex marriage is the gateway to people marrying animals?"

The brain is an important gender organ.

Gender dysphoria is a form of body dysphoria. It means that the person is unhappy with their body (see the definition of dysphoria = profound dissatisfaction or unease). Plenty of people suffer from that and seek both surgical and non-surgical intervention on a regular basis. They dress to cover up flaws, they diet, they wear binding undergarments, makeup, etc... Sometimes they get plastic surgery. It is no different for people of trans* experience, who do what they can and want to be more comfortable with how they look. Degrees of body and gender dysphoria vary from person to person.

I realize you are trolling a bit here, but with over 1000 views on this thread its worth responding with some real information for the people who might actually be interested.

No, Im not trolling or anything of the like, I just disagree that dysphoria is anything more than a mental condition and when acted upon is actually a psychosis.

The definition of dysphoria is a state of unease or general dis-satisfaction with life. The term gender used with dysphoria describes the cause of dis-satisfaction. This is a only feeling.

When a person acts impulsively on a feeling contrary to the facts this indicates a disconnection with reality or mild psychosis. When the same person decides to change the facts to suit their disconnection with reality it should be considered a mental disorder or psychosis.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mch...ion-1402615120

How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the "recovered memory" craze.

You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.

We at Johns Hopkins University—which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"—launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

If Bruce shows up to the Sherwood Country Club he will be bared from the mens areas if he shows up as Caitlyn. Im sure the women at the club feel the same way.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/02/caitly...urse-sherwood/

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[/QUOTE] If Bruce shows up to the Sherwood Country Club he will be bared from the mens areas if he shows up as Caitlyn. Im sure the women at the club feel the same way.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/02/caitly...urse-sherwood/[/QUOTE]

au contraire:


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