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  • 150 Miles of Fire in California......

    What a tragedy!

    Raging Calif. Fires Burn Scores of Homes

    SAN DIEGO — Wildfires blown by fierce desert winds Monday reduced hundreds of Southern California homes to ashes, forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee and laid a hellish, spidery pattern of luminous orange over the drought-stricken region.

    At least one person was killed and dozens were injured. At least 655 homes burned _ about 130 in one mountain area alone _ and 168 businesses and other structures were destroyed. Thousands of other buildings were threatened by more than a dozen blazes covering at least 520 square miles.

    "The sky was just red. Everywhere I looked was red, glowing. Law enforcement came barreling in with police cars with loudspeakers telling everyone to get out now," said Ronnie Leigh, 55, who fled her mobile home in northern Los Angeles County as smoke darkened the sky over the nearby ridge line.

    Soon after nightfall, fire officials announced that 500 homes and 100 commercial properties had been destroyed by a fire in northern San Diego County that exploded to 145,000 acres, said Roxanne Provaznik, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Forestry. The fire injured seven firefighters and one civilian, and was spreading unchecked.


    A pair of wildfires consumed 133 homes in the Lake Arrowhead mountain resort area in the San Bernardino National Forest east of Los Angeles, authorities said. Hundreds of homes were lost in the same community fours ago.

    Firefighters _ who lost valuable time trying to persuade stubborn homeowners to leave _ had their work cut out for them as winds gusting to 70 mph scattered embers onto dry brush, spawning spot fires. California officials pleaded for help from fire departments in other states.

    "A lot of people are going to lose their homes today," San Diego Fire Capt. Lisa Blake predicted earlier.

    At least 14 fires were burning in Southern California, said Patti Roberts, a spokeswoman for the Governor's Office of Emergency Services.

    From San Diego to Malibu, more than 150 miles up the coast, at least 265,000 people were warned to leave their homes. More than 250,000 were told to flee in San Diego County alone.

    "It's probably closer to 300,000," said County Supervisor Ron Roberts.

    Hundreds of patients were moved by school bus and ambulance from a hospital and nursing homes, some in hospital gowns and wheelchairs. Some carried their medical records in clear plastic bags.

    A 1,049-inmate jail in Orange County was evacuated because of heavy smoke. The prisoners were bused to other lockups.

    In San Diego County, where at least four fires burned, more than 200,000 reverse 911 calls _ calls from county officials to residents _ alerted residents to evacuations, said County Supervisor Roberts.

    About 10,000 of them ended up at Qualcomm Stadium, home to the NFL's Chargers, where thousands of people huddled in eerie silence on the bleachers, staring at muted TV news reports of the wildfires. A lone concession stand served coffee and doughnuts.

    Many evacuees gathered in the parking lot with their pets, which were banned from the stadium.

    The sprawling Del Mar Fairgrounds on the coast was also turned into an evacuation center, along with high schools and senior centers. Marine officials at Camp Pendleton opened their base to residents.

    At least one of the fires, in Orange County, was believed to have been set. And a blaze threatening the homes of the rich and famous in Malibu might have been caused by downed power lines, authorities said.

    Mel Gibson, Kelsey Grammer and Victoria Principal were among the celebrities forced to flee over the weekend, their publicists said.

    Another blaze was started by a car fire. Flying embers started new fires at every turn. One of the San Diego fires was burning so fast that authorities did not have an accurate count of how many homes had been destroyed.

    "It was nuclear winter. It was like Armageddon. It looked like the end of the world," Mitch Mendler, a San Diego firefighter, said as he and his crew stopped at a shopping center parking lot to refill their water truck from a hydrant near a restaurant. Asked how many homes had burned, he said, "I lost count."

    Tom Sollie, 49, ignored evacuation orders in Rancho Bernardo to help his neighbors spray roofs on his street with water. His home was untouched, but he watched a neighbor's house reduced to nothing but the remnants of a brick chimney. "The house went up like a Roman candle," Sollie said.

    He added: "If we weren't here, the whole neighborhood would go up. There just aren't enough fire trucks around."

    Parts of seven California counties were ablaze. By nightfall, embers had ignited spot fires in ultrawealthy Rancho Santa Fe, a suburb north of San Diego. The fires burned in lemon orchards, their smoke choking the air around gated mansions.

    Firefighters complained that their efforts to stop the flames were delayed when they were confronted by people who refused to leave their homes.

    "They didn't evacuate at all, or delayed until it was too late," said Bill Metcalf, a fire boss. "And those folks who are making those decisions are actually stripping fire resources."

    As flames, thick smoke and choking ash filled the air around San Diego County's Lake Hodges, Stan Smith ignored orders to evacuate and stayed behind to help rescue the horses of his neighbor Ken Morris.

    "It's hard to leave all your belongings and take off, and the bad thing is you can't get back in once you leave," Smith said.

    "I heard the cops come by, and I just ducked," Morris said.

    Besides, said Smith, "Lots of time the fire doesn't ever come. It's come really close before. I've seen it so bad you couldn't even hear yourself talk over the flames and ash blowing everywhere."

    Black smoke blanketed much of northern San Diego and nearby suburbs as flames hopscotched around homes in Rancho Bernardo, a community with many elderly people, destroying one of every 10 homes on one busy street.

    Highways, canals and other features normally act as firebreaks. But the towering flames and flying embers rendered them useless this time.

    Dozens of motorists gathered on an Interstate 15 overpass in San Diego to watch flames race up a hillside and engulf at least a half-dozen homes. Witnesses said they watched flames jump west across the 10-lane freeway.

    "The flames were like 100 feet high and it moved up the hill in seconds. It was at the bottom, it was in the middle, and then it was at the top," said Steve Jarrett, who helped a friend evacuate his home in nearby Escondido.

    Fire near the San Diego Wild Animal Park led authorities to move condors, a cheetah, snakes and other animals to the fire-resistant veterinary hospital on the grounds of the park. The large animals, such as elephants, rhinos and antelope, were left in irrigated enclosures.

    The world-famous San Diego Zoo was not immediately threatened.

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency in the seven affected counties, opening the way for government aid. He also made 1,500 California National Guardsmen available, and San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders said the troops' main focus would be to prevent looting and help with evacuations.

    "Its a tragic time for California," the governor said in Malibu, where a church, homes and a mansion resembling a medieval castle were destroyed over the weekend.

    White House deputy press secretary Scott Stanzel said in an e-mail that President Bush called Schwarzenegger to make sure the state is getting the help it needs.

    One person died in one of the fires near San Diego. More than a dozen people were hospitalized with burns and smoke inhalation, including four firefighters, three of whom were listed in critical condition, officials said. Some of the injured were hikers, while others may be illegal immigrants.

    Among the evacuees were members of a National Guard unit that had to flee its barracks, officials said.

    Flames forced the evacuation of the San Diego community of Ramona, which has a population of about 36,000.

    Christine Baird, 42, was ordered to evacuate her apartment in the Rancho Bernardo area at 5:30 a.m. She moved to California from Canada earlier this year.

    "Instead of snow we had ash all over the car," she said. "This is all new for me. We've got no family in the area, so there's really nowhere else to go."

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    Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Chelsea J. Carter and Jeremiah Marquez in Los Angeles, Jacob Adelman in Santa Clarita and Elliot Spagat in San Diego; and National Writer Martha Mendoza in Lake Arrowhead.
    Angela

    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

  • #2
    This is sooo awful!! We were just in the area last week and knew the Santa Anna winds were due to start over the weekend. The alert of high fire danger was on the news every day. I am so worried about our TS4Ms & TUG friends who live in the area. Ricoba, Cathyb, Fisch, John....are you all okay???
    The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all or cannot do so well for themselves”- Lincoln

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    • #3
      Looks terrible out there. I feel sorry for anyone in the path.
      There was a reporter for one of the networks on this AM who was reporting about his house which was burning in the background!!!!
      ken H.,Ballston Lake, NY
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      • #4
        I hope all our members are safe and have not been touched by the fires in any way.
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        • #5
          My thoughts and prayers go out to all affected by this natural tragedy.
          Lawren- Werent you talking about exchanging into Lake Arrowood???
          Several properties lost in that area according to Angela's post.

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          • #6
            We were out of town and kind of out of touch with the news until last night. I grew up in southern California and still have family and friends there. It's been hard for me to tell exactly what areas have been affected. It's so tragic. I was watching a little of the news this morning and caught a picture of a palm tree burning. That's a sight I never thought I'd see.
            Luanne

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            • #7
              They've asked for reciprocal aid from other states. Northern Nevada has sent firemen, and Clark County has sent two helicopters. They were willing to send 35 firefighters, but were turned down. Why? They aren't "red card" qualified. That is, they aren't qualified to fight forest fires! Our mountains are nekkid, and our open areas are desert. The firefighters are still on standby in case they are needed later.

              Fern
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              • #8
                Right after we were married we lived near Lake Arrowhead just off of Rim-of-the-World Highway. I had two big fears when we lived there - ones that literally fed nightmares. Forest fires was one of them - it was clear that if a fire got started in the area, it wouldn't make any difference how big a clear area we kept around the house. (The other nightmare was an accident on Rim-of-the-World highway itself. Which happened to some very close friends of ours a month after we left.)

                *****

                During the Oakland Hills fire about 20 years ago, one big factor that kept the fire going was wood shake and shingle roofs - quite popular in many areas in California. Long after the fire had left wooded and brushy areas where there was a supply of natural fuel, the fire sustained its spread by jumping roof-to-roof.

                Roofs are a relatively flat surface where embers will settle. The wood shakes or shingles then ignite. More embers are created, which torch more houses.

                If the roof of a building doesn't catch on fire, the house is much easier to save. It's harder for embers to ignite a building if only the walls are available to burn. And if the walls are non-combustible material, such as stucco there's even less fuel.

                *****

                All of the above applies more on the margins of a fire. In the main portion of a fire, the heat is so intense that many materials simply vaporize into combustible gas, and the gas ignites. As the main flame front moves past, then the remaining cellulose type materials continue burning.

                That gas formation is a key reason why those brush fires in semi-arid locales are so intense. The native plants have a very high oil content - part of their adaptation to drought conditions. When a brush fire gets started the plant then burns in two stages as I described above. That's why people often comment about seeing trees and shrubs suddenly exploding into a fireball as the flame front arrives.
                “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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                • #9
                  Is there anything that we can do for our Californian friends? I feel so helpless just sitting here and watching it on the TV. Is there a more effective relief service that benefits the residents more than another one ? I heard that FEMA was there which doesn't especially evoke confidence as it once did.

                  Thinking of you all.

                  B

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                  • #10
                    One million people now evacuating.....

                    Raging Calif. Wildfires Force 1M to Flee

                    My Way News - Raging Calif. Wildfires Force 1M to Flee

                    Oct 23, 6:57 PM (ET)
                    By GILLIAN FLACCUS

                    SAN DIEGO (AP) - Faced with unrelenting winds whipping wildfires into a frenzy across Southern California, firefighters all but conceded defeat Tuesday to an unstoppable force that has already chased nearly a million people away.

                    Unless the shrieking Santa Ana winds subside, and that's not expected for at least another day, fire crews say they can do little more than try to wait it out and react - tamping out spot fires and chasing ribbons of airborne embers to keep new fires from flaring.

                    "If it's this big and blowing with as much wind as it's got, it'll go all the way to the ocean before it stops," said San Diego Fire Capt. Kirk Humphries. "We can save some stuff but we can't stop it."

                    Tentacles of unpredictable, shifting flame have burned across nearly 600 square miles, killing two people, destroying more than 1,300 homes and prompting one of the biggest evacuations in California history, from north of Los Angeles, through San Diego to the Mexican border.

                    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the flames were threatening 68,000 more homes.

                    "We have had an unfortunate situation that we've had three things come together: very dry areas, very hot weather and then a lot of wind," Schwarzenegger said. "And so this makes the perfect storm for a fire." ....
                    "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
                    -- Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancey, 1816

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                    • #11
                      Web Sites To Watch California Updates

                      In case you want to check to see what you can about locations, these are good sites:

                      News 8, San Diego: Wildfire Coverage

                      The UT has a Goggle map that they seem to be keeping up on fairly well:
                      San Diego Fires - Information
                      It shows the location of the fires as well as the evacuations.

                      SD County Emergency Homepage: San Diego County Emergency Homepage

                      an evacueeposted this site to to watch her house......
                      Google Maps
                      "You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity." Adrian Rogers

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                      • #12
                        I just want to cry. I hope all our friends are ok!! shaggy

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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            We got word this afternoon that my BIL's father, who was in a nursing home in Rancho Murietta, died during the evacuation of the nursing home.
                            “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                            “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                            “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte
                              We got word this afternoon that my BIL's father, who was in a nursing home in Rancho Murietta, died during the evacuation of the nursing home.
                              I'll say a prayer for you and family, so sorry for your loss.

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