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  • Originally posted by biskits View Post
    Steve
    "Despised" is a little strong, isnt it???
    If Red Sox are so despised outside New England, why did USA Today
    run a front page article last month labeling the Sox "America's Home Team"???
    What happened to the old adage "If you can't say something nice about somebody, dont say anything at all..."
    As a life long Sox fan, I am not particulially fond of the Yankees, but
    I dont "despise" them...I mean, its only a game!!!
    The following article gets to some of what I think steve was trying to express.

    WORLD SERIES

    Red Sox Alienation
    With its curse lifted, Boston's recent success has made the team almost Yankee-like in the eyes of many fans.
    By Bill Shaikin, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    October 24, 2007

    BOSTON -- John Henry stood next to the batting cage Tuesday at Fenway Park, telling the story with a smile. He could afford to smile. He owns the Boston Red Sox, the most popular team in the land.

    But not everywhere in the land.

    Tom Werner, the Red Sox chairman, ran into the owner of another team not long ago. That owner -- Henry wouldn't identify him -- told Werner the Red Sox had become "the most disliked team in baseball."

    The Red Sox might despise the New York Yankees, but in many ways they have become the Yankees: Love 'em, or love to hate 'em.

    The Yankees, after all, have not won the World Series since 2000. The Red Sox open the World Series against the Colorado Rockies tonight, four victories from their second championship in four years.

    In 2004, the Red Sox laid to rest their image as cursed losers. They pack their ballpark and yours too, leading the major leagues in road attendance. The "Red Sox Nation" annexes opposing stadiums, alienating home fans from California to Florida.

    "I totally understand that," General Manager Theo Epstein said. "If I were a fan of another team and 20,000 Red Sox fans came into my ballpark, it would [tick] me off too."

    At home, the Red Sox have sold out every game since 2003. On the road, they outdrew the Yankees -- and everyone else -- for the second time in three years. Fox and ESPN air the Red Sox and Yankees religiously -- and they deliver top ratings, no matter how sick a West Coast fan might get of seeing them.

    The Red Sox expanded their business empire -- installing seats atop the Green Monster in left field, selling official tour packages to road games, injecting their logo into NASCAR -- and generated enough revenue to close the payroll gap separating them from the Yankees, from $84 million two years ago to $47 million this year. The Yankees ranked first in payroll and the Red Sox second for the fourth consecutive season.

    "We go into parks, and anywhere from one-third to one-half the fans are rooting for the Red Sox," Henry said. "That doesn't necessarily endear you to everyone. Our payroll has grown as our revenues have grown. That doesn't endear you to everyone either."

    And, before the Yankees traded for Alex Rodriguez and his record contract four years ago, the Red Sox had a trade for him in place. (The players' union vetoed the proposed contract restructuring.)

    Not that Red Sox President Larry Lucchino wants to entertain comparisons to the Yankees, a franchise he once called the Evil Empire.

    "Don't go there," Lucchino said. "We are not the new Yankees. We are the improved Red Sox."

    Henry traced the Red Sox Nation's rise from a regional fan base to an American phenomenon to October 2003, when Boston lost a spirited league championship series to the Yankees.

    Pedro Martinez punched Don Zimmer, Jeff Nelson shoved a Fenway Park groundskeeper, Grady Little left Martinez in Game 7 too long to keep his job and Aaron Boone hit a sudden-death home run in the 11th inning.

    "It really began at that point," Henry said. "It was immediately followed by the A-Rod circus. It was incredible. There was so much interest generated by that point. You had the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry, which was intense before, hitting a new level after Aaron Boone."

    In an ALCS rematch in 2004, the Red Sox staged a comeback for the ages, losing the first three games and winning the next four. Boston then won the World Series for the first time in 86 years -- Hollywood captured the moment in "Fever Pitch" -- and Red Sox fever swept from coast to coast.

    "The popularity of this team everywhere we go is beyond anything I've imagined," Henry said.

    Pitcher Brendan Donnelly, in his first year with the Red Sox after five years with the Angels, embraced the phenomenon.

    "You see it everywhere you go," he said. "The Red Sox have every bit as big a following as the Yankees do.

    "Take the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990s. Take any good team. Everybody wants to beat the best. Right now, there are two teams left."

    The Yankees are not one of them.

    "The Yankees always had the highest payroll, the best players money could buy," Donnelly said. "They had the team to compete every year. Now, so do we."

    Boston third baseman Mike Lowell and catcher Doug Mirabelli shied away from casting the Red Sox as the new Yankees.

    "We're a big-market team," Lowell said, "but we've got to win a few more championships for people to say that."

    Said Mirabelli: "They do a lot of things different, like the front office."

    Mirabelli would not elaborate, but the Yankees just parted ways with Manager Joe Torre, who led the team to four World Series championships. Owner George Steinbrenner publicly threatened to fire Torre during the division series, and the Yankees reminded everyone they consider any season without a championship as a failure.

    "It is not our stated goal to win the World Series every year," Lucchino said. "It is a goal, but it's not our expectation. That will happen, but we have a slightly more realistic goal -- to win every year and play baseball in October."

    So here they are again, with Manny and Big Papi and the rest of a cast made famous by Fox and ESPN. For fans sick of them, we give you the Rockies, whoever they are.

    "I'm sure there's some portion of fans that doesn't like the teams they see all the time," Rockies outfielder and MVP candidate Matt Holliday said.

    How great the portion? Who knows? And is it a sporting dislike, or an actual hatred?

    Donnelly, out for the season after elbow surgery, smiles widely at that last question.

    "I don't think people hate us," he said. "When we go into a stadium and play somewhere on the road, there's more excitement than if the Royals come into town."

    LA Times article
    "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
    -- Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancey, 1816

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    • Good article...It doesn't surprise me that some would resent the Sox because they are currently winning, and because fans are everywhere. When we go to Sox/Devil Rays games in Tampa, there are more Sox fans than Devil Rays fans, and it upsets the home team a lot, as well it might and should. What does suprise me is when I hear people saying they are tired of the Red Sox winning, give someone else a chance. For goodness sake, we have been on the losing end for so long, and just over the last few years have been enjoying victory. We also are more likely to cheer for underdogs (when the Sox are playing against them)...I routinely cheer for the Cubbies and the Devil Rays.
      I have loved the Sox for so long, stayed with them through years of agonizing losses...I'm really enjoying it now, and I think it's fine if others don't like it: I didn't much like the losing part either.
      Go baseball! Go Sox!

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      • Originally posted by grest View Post
        Good article...It doesn't surprise me that some would resent the Sox because they are currently winning, and because fans are everywhere. When we go to Sox/Devil Rays games in Tampa, there are more Sox fans than Devil Rays fans, and it upsets the home team a lot, as well it might and should. What does suprise me is when I hear people saying they are tired of the Red Sox winning, give someone else a chance. For goodness sake, we have been on the losing end for so long, and just over the last few years have been enjoying victory. We also are more likely to cheer for underdogs (when the Sox are playing against them)...I routinely cheer for the Cubbies and the Devil Rays.
        I have loved the Sox for so long, stayed with them through years of agonizing losses...I'm really enjoying it now, and I think it's fine if others don't like it: I didn't much like the losing part either.
        Go baseball! Go Sox!
        Connie,
        Agreed 1,000% ! You have captured my sentiments here as well.
        For many, it's really and sad to say, "sour grapes". It's not the as if Sox have always been legendary winners or a dynasty. No, far from it. I, too, root for the Cubbies and for the Orioles (during their terrible year) as it's the underdog that appeals to most Americans.
        We were the butt of jokes for years and now, there are some that just plain resent our success. If you read RSN's posts throughout the year you will not find any of the smugness or entitlement found elsewhere.
        I could post opposing articles and will in my next post (USA Today - Red Sox - America's Team !) and the like.
        Yes, the Rockies, a very good team, are 0 & 3 now, but we know what can happen in that situation. It ain't over 'til Papelbon dances. There is no smugness here being 3-0 .

        GO SOX !!!!!

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        • I like the sound of "new Yankees". Very appropriate.
          Jim

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          • Congratulations to the Red Sox

            Congratulations to the Boston Red Sox and their fans.
            John

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            • Originally posted by Elan View Post
              I like the sound of "new Yankees". Very appropriate.
              Now that hurts! New something, yes, but definitely not Yankees...Anyway, hurrah to the very good World Series team!!
              Connie

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              • Congrats to the Red Sox nation, You all have much to be proud about.
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                • Thanks to everyone, those who rooted for & against us. It made it all that more spirited.

                  Hats off to the Rockies and their fans. Two of the games were hard fought and close. They are an excellent team and can stand proudly with their record and effort. They will hold the trophy someday soon.

                  The NL umpires were good. I did not agree with all their calls, but those were few and did not affect the outcome (Manny's call out @ home ).

                  I'd like to see the Cubbies win it next.

                  Go Sox !

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                  • Congrats Red Sox and RSN....you sure rolled on.
                    "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
                    -- Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancey, 1816

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                    • Congrats to the World Series Champs

                      Just back from a wonderful week in Charleston and Hilton Head (and
                      and no computer ) for 8 days...I was able to celebrate and savor the World Series victory with some good friends and other members of RSN down in South Carolina. I wore my "B" baseball cap every day and received many congratulations...even from several Yankee fans!!!! The Red Sox are not and do not want to be the "new Yankees". Yes, we are a large market team that has one of top largest payrolls in the game. This ownership invested a lot of money in a team that hadnt won anything in 86 years. And as with any business,
                      they expect a return on their investment, and they are smart enough to know how to get it.
                      The team that is now known as the Red Sox won its first World Series championship over 100 years ago in Boston. Generations of Red Sox fans through out New England and in other parts of the country know first hand the anguish and frustration of a losing team and poor management. Two championships in 4 years does not make the Sox the "new Yankees", and what Joe Torres accomplished with the Yankees during his reign will probably never be repeated in professional baseball again. If someone doesnt like the Sox, that is certainly their perogative. What cant be denied is that this Red Sox team was the best team in baseball this season.

                      GO SOX!!!!!

                      Paul

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                      • Casey Stengel accomplished more than Joe Torre with the Yankees in the 1950's.
                        John

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                        • Sorry, John, I didnt mean to imply that Torres was the greatest manager
                          in Yankees history...I just meant that in this age of "moneyball" and free agency, it will be diificult for any team to duplicate was Torres accomplished, and certainly impossible to accomplish what the Yankees of the Stengal area and the Celtics of the Aurabach era accomplished.
                          Those were teams of the century....
                          Best wishes,
                          Paul

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                          • Originally posted by biskits View Post
                            Sorry, John, I didnt mean to imply that Torres was the greatest manager
                            in Yankees history...I just meant that in this age of "moneyball" and free agency, it will be diificult for any team to duplicate was Torres accomplished, and certainly impossible to accomplish what the Yankees of the Stengal area and the Celtics of the Aurabach era accomplished.
                            Those were teams of the century....
                            Best wishes,
                            Paul
                            No need to apologize. I believe that Torre is a great manager and a real class act. The Dodgers are very lucky to get him.
                            John

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