French drivers forced to carry Breathalysers

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

When I was in bizschool in France, one of the guys were drunk at a party and was driving home but wrapped himself around a tree and suffered some brain damage.

And it seems like until Ride does the same thing, he is going to be endangering people on the island or until he has to explain and sell his theory to a judge.

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

And it seems like until Ride does the same thing, he is going to be endangering people on the island or until he has to explain and sell his theory to a judge.

Is this your suggested new avatar for Ride??

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

Is this your suggested new avatar for Ride??

Not bad! I'm sure he'd love it.

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

Is this your suggested new avatar for Ride??

I'm totally having that put on a tshirt!

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And it seems like until Ride does the same thing, he is going to be endangering people on the island or until he has to explain and sell his theory to a judge.

Stay off the roads around farmingdale tonight, I'm totally testing my theory

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[PigsDad Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PigsDad]

Stay off the roads around farmingdale tonight, I'm totally testing my theory

If you do that again, please post the make, color, and license plate number of your car.

Question: are you so certain of your assertion that you are such a good driver while having an over-the-limit BAC that you take your daughter with you on these bender drives?

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

During the course of my training and introduction to basic toxicology many years I recall seeing some controlled studies into the effects of alcohol on driving skills. It involved putting professional drivers on course involving maneuvering among cones, staying centered between lane markers, maintaining a constant speed, reaction time to various alerts - all measurable items. The tests were done without drinking, after having one, two or three drinks (similar to the amount of alcohol involved with standard mixed liquor drinks), and after the alcohol left the system. Time was allowed for the alcohol to enter the bloodstream. Declines in driving skills started with the first drink, progressed with each drink consumed, and there was no decline after the drivers had sobered up again.

But the part that I thought was most interesting was that without fail in assessing their own performances the drivers without fail believed that they had drivenbetter after having had one or two drinks, despite the clear and measurable declines in their performance.

I'm sure that Ride totally believes that he is not impaired by the levels of alcohol. That belief of his is totally consistent with what has been observed for people like him. That belief has also been pretty well discredited.

As an article of belief, it has about the same amount of credibility as Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

Stay off the roads around farmingdale tonight, I'm totally testing my theory

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Well when we don't hear from you ever again, we'll know what happened.

And I definitely think you should buy the t-shirt.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

And after you have shared with us your ETOH habits, I now know why you are always in the bathroom.
I'm just surprised you can still tap on that tapatalk while hugging your best friend.
Does it come with slurred voice recognition?

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

Question: are you so certain of your assertion that you are such a good driver while having an over-the-limit BAC that you take your daughter with you on these bender drives?

No, I don't tend to go on benders when I'm driving with my daughter, or even really during hours she's awake. But I can not honestly say if it is because I'm not confident in my driving or if it is because 'society' has deemed that a no-no.

I taught my daughter everything she needs to know when playing outside, stay out of the street, watch for cars, don't talk to strangers, so I'm confident in her ability to play outside alone, BUT because society has dictated that children can't play anymore(within the last decade) outside without adult supervision, I supervise her.

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[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

During the course of my training and introduction to basic toxicology many years I recall seeing some controlled studies into the effects of alcohol on driving skills. It involved putting professional drivers on course involving maneuvering among cones, staying centered between lane markers, maintaining a constant speed, reaction time to various alerts - all measurable items. The tests were done without drinking, after having one, two or three drinks (similar to the amount of alcohol involved with standard mixed liquor drinks), and after the alcohol left the system. Time was allowed for the alcohol to enter the bloodstream. Declines in driving skills started with the first drink, progressed with each drink consumed, and there was no decline after the drivers had sobered up again.

But the part that I thought was most interesting was that without fail in assessing their own performances the drivers without fail believed that they had drivenbetter after having had one or two drinks, despite the clear and measurable declines in their performance.

I'm sure that Ride totally believes that he is not impaired by the levels of alcohol. That belief of his is totally consistent with what has been observed for people like him. That belief has also been pretty well discredited.

As an article of belief, it has about the same amount of credibility as Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin.

This is interesting, but I think the test was flawed, this is like having indycar drivers tested driving tanks and coming to the result that tanks aren't safe to drive. Or a 65yr old women talking on a cellphone, vs any teenage girl. The thing is, you put a person inexperienced in driving that way behind the wheel and the results showed their inexperience. These people had no experience driving that way. I'd bet(but I have no evidence) that if you put the average 24yr old 'weekend' bar club viet in that test, people that drive with alcohol in their system regularly in that test, or even people that just drink 'hard' regularly(alcohol is something you build a tolerance too) you will get different results.

The defining factor for me, is experience, everything has a learning curve and if you haven't tried to learn, you can't be expected to know

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[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

No, I don't tend to go on benders when I'm driving with my daughter, or even really during hours she's awake. But I can not honestly say if it is because I'm not confident in my driving or if it is because 'society' has deemed that a no-no.

I taught my daughter everything she needs to know when playing outside, stay out of the street, watch for cars, don't talk to strangers, so I'm confident in her ability to play outside alone, BUT because society has dictated that children can't play anymore(within the last decade) outside without adult supervision, I supervise her.

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So if she was hit by "accident" by a legally defined drunk, but not so drunk driver, who had lots of "experience" like yourself, then you'd be okay with that? After all it would just be an accident not a real DUI since the driver was an experienced driver and shouldn't be penalized. I can just see your ex-wife finding this thread.

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So if she was hit by "accident" by a legally defined drunk, but not so drunk driver, who had lots of "experience" like yourself, then you'd be okay with that? After all it would just be an accident not a real DUI since the driver was an experienced driver and shouldn't be penalized. I can just see your ex-wife finding this thread.

Why is it worse if the person was drinking? What if he was talking on the phone, or changing the radio station, checking her makeup, drinking a Pepsi, all of these things lead to distractions that can cause the same accident.

Either way I would end up doing life behind bars, accident or not, if my daughter was hurt, they'll have to have several body bags to clean up what I'd do to the guy. IMO justified homicide.

I have this same discussion with family all the time. I'm not anti drug use, i don't currently use any, but I'm not against there use. They don't understand. Drugs are inanimate objects, its not fair to blame them for people abusing them, there are millions of people that use drugs everyday without taking it to the point of abuse, so why do we just assume all drug users are abusers. Why do we assume that because some has 4 beers in an hour, they can't drive?
(I didn't explain that well)
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This is interesting, but I think the test was flawed, this is like having indycar drivers tested driving tanks and coming to the result that tanks aren't safe to drive. Or a 65yr old women talking on a cellphone, vs any teenage girl. The thing is, you put a person inexperienced in driving that way behind the wheel and the results showed their inexperience. These people had no experience driving that way. I'd bet(but I have no evidence) that if you put the average 24yr old 'weekend' bar club viet in that test, people that drive with alcohol in their system regularly in that test, or even people that just drink 'hard' regularly(alcohol is something you build a tolerance too) you will get different results.

The defining factor for me, is experience, everything has a learning curve and if you haven't tried to learn, you can't be expected to know

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You're certainly free to have your opinion.

You have presented absolutely no information as to why anyone should give your "seat of your toilet" posted opinion any degree of credence as compared with the results of studies done by toxicologists under controlled conditions with the results being subjected to the review of multiple others similarly trained in assessing pharmacological effects of chemicals.

*****

Methinks your brain is being addled by the vapors you are inhaling as you are posting.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

Why is it worse if the person was drinking? What if he was talking on the phone, or changing the radio station, checking her makeup, drinking a Pepsi, all of these things lead to distractions that can cause the same accident.

Either way I would end up doing life behind bars, accident or not, if my daughter was hurt, they'll have to have several body bags to clean up what I'd do to the guy. IMO justified homicide.

I have this same discussion with family all the time. I'm not anti drug use, i don't currently use any, but I'm not against there use. They don't understand. Drugs are inanimate objects, its not fair to blame them for people abusing them, there are millions of people that use drugs everyday without taking it to the point of abuse, so why do we just assume all drug users are abusers. Why do we assume that because some has 4 beers in an hour, they can't drive?
(I didn't explain that well)
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I am not anti drug either. I'm a nurse. I make my living pushing drugs.
Life is definitely better with chemistry but it needs to be done responsibly, not wrecklessly.
I could care less if you drink and drug yourself to death, just don't go out and do it to somebody else who has nothing to do with your choices.
I know that t-shirt is your new motto and it suits you to a T.
Obviously you are going to do whatever the heck you want regardless of the consequences.
Glad to hear you are willing to do the time for the crime. It will catch up to you one day.
Hopefully before you kill anyone but yourself.